Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-21 Thread Tom Brennan
I don't know what's going on with the comparisons lately, but here's a fun one. Paging the fact checkers... https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibm-mainframe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email t

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread Mike Schwab
https://spectrum.ieee.org/building-the-system360-mainframe-nearly-destroyed-ibm On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 6:26 AM Tom Brennan wrote: > > I don't know what's going on with the comparisons lately, but here's a > fun one. Paging the fact checkers... > https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibm-mainframe > > -

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread Dave Jones
"But I wonder, are we using all that computation effectively to make as much difference as our forebears did after the leap from pencil and paper to the 7090?" IMHO, no. DJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive acce

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread Robin Vowels
Burroughs had the B5000 in 1961. At 100,000 instructions per second, the 7090 wasn't all that fast. Pilot ACE, in 1951, could execute 15,000 instructions per second. On 2021-12-22 17:26, Tom Brennan wrote: I don't know what's going on with the comparisons lately, but here's a fun one. Paging t

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread René Jansen
Thank you for the pointers to those two very interesting articles. I never the introduction of microcode linked to the 1401 compatibility of S/360 - I thought this was an emulator that used the 360 ISA as-is? In the other one, I think what we need to take away from that is how the scarcity of n

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread Bob Bridges
I'm enjoying the article so far, and I'm sure contributors will chime in who are far more knowledgeable than I. But the first thing I notice is that he spends some time estimating how inferior the early 7090 was to a modern laptop in terms of clock speed, RAM, and tape-driven I/O, and concludes

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 08:04:01AM -0600, Dave Jones wrote: > "But I wonder, are we using all that computation effectively to > make as much difference as our forebears did after the leap from > pencil and paper to the 7090?" > > IMHO, no. > DJ Of course we do. Try to animate an icon using ju

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread Robin Vowels
On 2021-12-23 01:59, Bob Bridges wrote: I'm enjoying the article so far, and I'm sure contributors will chime in who are far more knowledgeable than I. But the first thing I notice is that he spends some time estimating how inferior the early 7090 was to a modern laptop in terms of clock speed,

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread Bob Bridges
Oops. Yeah, what he said. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Few people can keep up with written law. They shouldn't have to. If the written law is basically the Ten Commandments writ large, and in keeping with customary morality, you can be a good citizen by leading a

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread CM Poncelet
+1 On 22/12/2021 14:04, Dave Jones wrote: > "But I wonder, are we using all that computation effectively to make as > much difference as our forebears did after the leap from pencil and paper to > the 7090?" > > IMHO, no. > DJ > > -

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-22 Thread CM Poncelet
Pictures (aka icons) are the preferred choice of those who cannot read.   On 22/12/2021 22:42, Tomasz Rola wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 08:04:01AM -0600, Dave Jones wrote: >> "But I wonder, are we using all that computation effectively to >> make as much difference as our forebears did a

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 9:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another old mainframe comparison I'm enjoying the article so far, and I'm sure contribut

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
[rene.vincent.jan...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 9:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another old mainframe comparison Thank you for the pointers to those two very interesting articles. I never the introduction of microcode linked to the 1401 compatibility of S/360 - I

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Robin Vowels [robi...@dodo.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 9:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another old mainframe comparison Burroughs had the B5000 in 1961. At 100,000 instructions per

Re: Another old mainframe comparison

2021-12-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
A.EDU Subject: Another old mainframe comparison I don't know what's going on with the comparisons lately, but here's a fun one. Paging the fact checkers... https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibm-mainframe -- For IBM-MAIN