Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-09-04 Thread Todd Arnold
> Are the specific results of the various tests a available to review? Not to my knowledge. Generally, the only thing that is public is a binary "yes/no" on the test results, and some (often detailed) description of the product's features that were tested. For examples of the latter, see the F

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-31 Thread Rob Schramm
Are the specific results of the various tests a available to review? I honestly haven't given the test results much thought other than the CEX cards were certified. The barrier to entry for hacking a cell phone is pretty low from an acquisition standpoint. Getting a mainframe with a CEX card is

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-31 Thread Todd Arnold
For things like FIPS 140, IBM does its own testing before we send anything to the independent lab for them to test. Then, the lab does their own testing for the formal certification. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archiv

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-30 Thread Rob Schramm
Actually on the one of the entries I saw on the FIPS 140 testing, that the individual test were very important Rob On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 1:33 PM R.S. wrote: > Actually FIPS rating tells you it was tested and evaluated. > How? When? By whom? IMHO it's less important. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-30 Thread R.S.
Actually FIPS rating tells you it was tested and evaluated. How? When? By whom? IMHO it's less important. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2018-08-30 o 15:28, Rob Schramm pisze: Tom, When the Crypto Express cards are tested for side channel attacks... Does IBM do testing or is it s

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-30 Thread Rob Schramm
Tom, When the Crypto Express cards are tested for side channel attacks... Does IBM do testing or is it submitted to a lab for testing? And are the results of the individual tests available? Rob Schramm On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 9:16 AM Todd Arnold wrote: > High-end crypto devices like the Crypto

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-30 Thread Todd Arnold
High-end crypto devices like the Crypto Express cards already have a lot of what you'd think of as Tempest protection. In fact, the FIPS 140 Level 4 evaluation (which all Crypto Express cards pass) includes verification that those kinds of side-channel attacks are prevented. --

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-29 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 02:00:39PM +0200, R.S. wrote: [...] > > Note: the effort paid for the attack depends on expected value. And > attacker usually choose the weakest link in the chain, usually > people. Bingo. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-29 Thread R.S.
IMHO this is another example of hypothetically possible attack method, but it will be never used in real world. There are several "attacks" which are quite popular in terms people talk about them, airline magazines write about it, but there is no evidence any of them was ever successfully used.

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 01:24:05 -0400, zMan wrote: >Heh. I've never believed that story, simply because I disbelieve that 1403s >were consistent enough. But maybe they were also SLOW enough that the >jitter didn't matter, I dunno. > It's marginally plausible. The precision lay not in the 1403 but i

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-25 Thread zMan
Heh. I've never believed that story, simply because I disbelieve that 1403s were consistent enough. But maybe they were also SLOW enough that the jitter didn't matter, I dunno. On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:08 PM Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:09:26 -0400, Rob Schramm wrote: >While the keys that are processed in the Crypto Express cards should be >safe.. I am less sure about anything else. > >https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-attack-recovers-rsa-encryption-keys-from-em-waves-within-seconds/ > Som

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-24 Thread Phil Smith III
As JC Ewing notes, this requires pretty well complete control, including being able to force an operation and knowing when that happens. Just having the phone isn't going to do you any good. Remember that these wee devices are doing a lot all the time-I'd be unsurprised to learn that you also ne

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-24 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 03:40:35PM -0400, Mark Regan wrote: > I wonder if tempest shielding < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)> will now become a > necessity? For a so called normal user? No way, I guess. It would have increased price. Besides, certain types of hardware are proba

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-24 Thread Mark Regan
I wonder if tempest shielding < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename)> will now become a necessity? On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:23 PM Tomasz Rola wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:25:53AM -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > > On 08/22/2018 05:09 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: > > > While the keys

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-24 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:25:53AM -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > On 08/22/2018 05:09 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: > > While the keys that are processed in the Crypto Express cards should be > > safe.. I am less sure about anything else. > > > > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-attack-re

Re: Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-23 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 08/22/2018 05:09 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: > While the keys that are processed in the Crypto Express cards should be > safe.. I am less sure about anything else. > > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-attack-recovers-rsa-encryption-keys-from-em-waves-within-seconds/ > > Rob Schramm

Encryption keys and EM waves

2018-08-22 Thread Rob Schramm
While the keys that are processed in the Crypto Express cards should be safe.. I am less sure about anything else. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-attack-recovers-rsa-encryption-keys-from-em-waves-within-seconds/ Rob Schramm -- Rob Schramm ---