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On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:02:38 +, Seymour J
W dniu 16.04.2021 o 17:15, Mike Wawiorko pisze:
How many of us have patiently had to explain to a naïve user why an sftp client
connecting to an FTPS server does not work?
To be honest I had to patiently explain that FTPS is not sftp. Sometimes
they were upset, especially because I use "some
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I've never heard of Simple File Transfer Protocol. My guess is most others
have not either. SFTP pretty much de facto stands for SSH File Transfer
Protocol, which is secure.
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:02:38 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Wouldn't it make more sense to ask IBM to provide SFTP-SSH servers rather than
>FTP servers, given the concern with security?
>
Are browsers and other utilities that are ending support for FTP extending
support for FTPS or SFTP?
(Are
16, 2021 7:56 AM
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No; Simple File Transfer Protocol (SFTP) is RFC 913 while Trivial File
Transfer Protocol (TFTP) is RFC 1350 . Neither is the same as SSH File
Transfer Protocol (SFTP), which is normally used in SSH
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> > > - Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without
How many of us have patiently had to explain to a naïve user why an sftp client
connecting to an FTPS server does not work?
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SFTP more secure??? Think not
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hi,
Long time ago I learned: If you remove one parameter, you divide the possibilities of errors by at
least 3.
apply this to the number of "similar" protocols.
We need the unified standard to get rid of n file transfer protocols, ok, now
you have n+1
Pigeons can easily carry some
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:31:10 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I don't know the details, just that SFTP (over SSH) is considered more secures
>than FTPS. Raw SFTP is not secure. SFTP is another overloaded acronym; there
>is a simple FTP that, I hope, nobody is advocating.
>
Are you thinking of
SFTP more secure??? Think not
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I don't know
W dniu 15.04.2021 o 15:51, Paul Gilmartin pisze:
[...]
> Might a site remove cmd.exe?
[...]
>> And of course there are plenty of graphical ftp clients (anyone here is
> Some sites forbid installing such software.
[...]
Yes, some sites may block/deny many things despite of the reason and
user
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Really, what is the security risk of FTPS? I know it seems
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>> - Holddata a
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:03:38 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka
wrote:
>While I agree ftp links should be changed to https, I would remind a
>browser is not necessary to use ftp, it's really easy to circumvent it.
>
No, it is not. Not when the corporate firewall blocks FTP traffic. :-(
Jantje.
Dave Gibney wrote:
>Really, what is the security risk of FTPS? I know it
>seems to be increasingly considered a problem, but why?
FTPS (FTP over TLS) is quite good when properly implemented, with both the
command and data channels secured. The common, classic criticism is that
FTP requires a
>> - Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without
>> ordering anything via ShopZ.
>Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E
>RECEIVE ORDER and indicate downloadmethod="https".
We have never used that here, so I'll check into it when IE goes away.
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> Wouldn't it make more sense to ask IBM to provide SFTP-SSH servers rather
> than FTP servers, given the concern with security?
>
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>We have ftp blocked at the corporate level. Has anyone found an HTTPS link to
>download this file? I used 'Contact IBM' at the bottom to i
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I truly hesitate to offer replies like this, but occasionally it seems
appropriate to potentially resolve an issue. There is a company,
Chicago-Soft, Ltd, for which I work, who offers a product MVS/QuickRef.
QuickRef, among
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I truly hesitate to offer replies like this, but occasionally
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While I agree ftp links should be changed to https, I would remind a
browser is not necessary to use ftp, it's really easy
I truly hesitate to offer replies like this, but occasionally it seems
appropriate to potentially resolve an issue. There is a company,
Chicago-Soft, Ltd, for which I work, who offers a product MVS/QuickRef.
QuickRef, among other things (and there are many more), contains tons of
documentation
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:59:26 -0400, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:
>> - Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without
>> ordering anything via ShopZ.
>Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E
>RECEIVE ORDER and indicate downloadmethod="https".
>
Wrong!
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From: Kurt
To: IBM-MAIN
Date: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:59 AM CDT
Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs
> - Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without
> ordering anything via ShopZ.
Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E
R
- Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without ordering anything via ShopZ.
Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E
RECEIVE ORDER and indicate downloadmethod="https".
Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development
Chuck Norris never uses CHECK
While I agree ftp links should be changed to https, I would remind a
browser is not necessary to use ftp, it's really easy to circumvent it.
In Windows system there is something called cmd.exe or CLI and there is
a command named ftp.
Of course the link need to be pasted here, but it is quite
>We have ftp blocked at the corporate level. Has anyone found an HTTPS link to
>download this file? I used 'Contact IBM' at the bottom to inquire but not
>optimistic.
You're not the only one. Now that the 'modern browsers' don't support ftp in
websites anymore, I wonder if IBM will wake up
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