Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 1:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:02:38 +, Seymour J

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
W dniu 16.04.2021 o 17:15, Mike Wawiorko pisze: How many of us have patiently had to explain to a naïve user why an sftp client connecting to an FTPS server does not work? To be honest I had to patiently explain that FTPS is not sftp. Sometimes they were upset, especially because I use "some

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Pommier, Rex
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs I've never heard of Simple File Transfer Protocol. My guess is most others have not either. SFTP pretty much de facto stands for SSH File Transfer Protocol, which is secure. From: IBM

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:02:38 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Wouldn't it make more sense to ask IBM to provide SFTP-SSH servers rather than >FTP servers, given the concern with security? > Are browsers and other utilities that are ending support for FTP extending support for FTPS or SFTP? (Are

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Frank Swarbrick
16, 2021 7:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs No; Simple File Transfer Protocol (SFTP) is RFC 913 while Trivial File Transfer Protocol (TFTP) is RFC 1350 . Neither is the same as SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP), which is normally used in SSH

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread kekronbekron
[IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Barbara Nitz [nitz-...@gmx.net] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 12:26 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs > > > > - Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Mike Wawiorko
How many of us have patiently had to explain to a naïve user why an sftp client connecting to an FTPS server does not work? Mike Wawiorko   This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 8:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs SFTP more secure??? Think not -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 9:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Peter Sylvester
hi, Long time ago I learned: If you remove one parameter, you divide the possibilities of errors by at least 3. apply this to the number of "similar" protocols. We need the unified standard to get rid of n file transfer protocols, ok, now you have n+1 Pigeons can easily carry some

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:31:10 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I don't know the details, just that SFTP (over SSH) is considered more secures >than FTPS. Raw SFTP is not secure. SFTP is another overloaded acronym; there >is a simple FTP that, I hope, nobody is advocating. > Are you thinking of

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Ron Wells
SFTP more secure??? Think not -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 7:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** I don't know

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
W dniu 15.04.2021 o 15:51, Paul Gilmartin pisze: [...] > Might a site remove cmd.exe? [...] >> And of course there are plenty of graphical ftp clients (anyone here is > Some sites forbid installing such software. [...] Yes, some sites may block/deny many things despite of the reason and user

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Gibney, Dave [gib...@wsu.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs Really, what is the security risk of FTPS? I know it seems

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Barbara Nitz [nitz-...@gmx.net] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 12:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs >> - Holddata a

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Jantje.
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:03:38 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >While I agree ftp links should be changed to https, I would remind a >browser is not necessary to use ftp, it's really easy to circumvent it. > No, it is not. Not when the corporate firewall blocks FTP traffic. :-( Jantje.

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
Dave Gibney wrote: >Really, what is the security risk of FTPS? I know it >seems to be increasingly considered a problem, but why? FTPS (FTP over TLS) is quite good when properly implemented, with both the command and data channels secured. The common, classic criticism is that FTP requires a

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Barbara Nitz
>> - Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without >> ordering anything via ShopZ. >Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E >RECEIVE ORDER and indicate downloadmethod="https". We have never used that here, so I'll check into it when IE goes away.

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Gibney, Dave
U > Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs > > Wouldn't it make more sense to ask IBM to provide SFTP-SSH servers rather > than FTP servers, given the concern with security? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
] on behalf of Barbara Nitz [nitz-...@gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs >We have ftp blocked at the corporate level. Has anyone found an HTTPS link to >download this file? I used 'Contact IBM' at the bottom to i

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Bill Johnson
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs I truly hesitate to offer replies like this, but occasionally it seems appropriate to potentially resolve an issue.  There is a company, Chicago-Soft, Ltd, for which I work, who offers a product MVS/QuickRef. QuickRef, among

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Ramsey Hallman [ramseyhall...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs I truly hesitate to offer replies like this, but occasionally

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
] on behalf of Radoslaw Skorupka [r.skoru...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs While I agree ftp links should be changed to https, I would remind a browser is not necessary to use ftp, it's really easy

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Ramsey Hallman
I truly hesitate to offer replies like this, but occasionally it seems appropriate to potentially resolve an issue. There is a company, Chicago-Soft, Ltd, for which I work, who offers a product MVS/QuickRef. QuickRef, among other things (and there are many more), contains tons of documentation

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:59:26 -0400, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: >> - Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without >> ordering anything via ShopZ. >Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E >RECEIVE ORDER and indicate downloadmethod="https". > Wrong!

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Carmen Vitullo
- From: Kurt To: IBM-MAIN Date: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:59 AM CDT Subject: Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs > - Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without > ordering anything via ShopZ. Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E R

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
- Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without ordering anything via ShopZ. Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER and indicate downloadmethod="https". Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development Chuck Norris never uses CHECK

Re: FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
While I agree ftp links should be changed to https, I would remind a browser is not necessary to use ftp, it's really easy to circumvent it. In Windows system there is something called cmd.exe or CLI and there is a command named ftp. Of course the link need to be pasted here, but it is quite

FTP-Links in IBM Websites and PTFs

2021-04-15 Thread Barbara Nitz
>We have ftp blocked at the corporate level. Has anyone found an HTTPS link to >download this file? I used 'Contact IBM' at the bottom to inquire but not >optimistic. You're not the only one. Now that the 'modern browsers' don't support ftp in websites anymore, I wonder if IBM will wake up