Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-13 Thread David Crayford
On 13/2/23 02:34, Hobart Spitz wrote: IMHO, the fault lies in the character stream orientation of UNIX, C, HTML etc. The shorted-sighted design was motivated by the limited budgets and underpowered systems of many early UNIX users. On record oriented systems, (z/OS and z/VM) common operations

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-12 Thread Mike Schwab
The cost to the fixed length fields and records is padding with blanks. That results in streaming files having a 2/1 compression ratio and fixed length files having a 4/1 ratio. On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 12:34 PM Hobart Spitz wrote: > > IMHO, the fault lies in the character stream orientation of

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 12:34:18 -0600, Hobart Spitz wrote: >IMHO, the fault lies in the character stream orientation of UNIX, C, HTML >etc. The shorted-sighted design was motivated by the limited budgets and >underpowered systems of many early UNIX users. > "Underpowered" systems led to

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
Four level cache in 1994? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Hobart Spitz Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 1:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Irish data centersan opportunity? IMHO, the fault lies in the character stream

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-12 Thread Hobart Spitz
IMHO, the fault lies in the character stream orientation of UNIX, C, HTML etc. The shorted-sighted design was motivated by the limited budgets and underpowered systems of many early UNIX users. On record oriented systems, (z/OS and z/VM) common operations are faster, because the needed

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Bill Johnson
Correct. I copied the article from the NYT & then reposted the paragraph in the article which discussed the study.  Heh - I don't think those are rankings - just (former) links from the article in whatever publication Bill copied from. > >    ... > >The largest cloud data centers, sometimes

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Tony Harminc
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 at 13:22, Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 17:40:21 +, Bill Johnson wrote: > >... > >The digital services churned out by the world’s computer centers are > multiplying, but their energy use is not, thanks to

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Charles Mills
And it is called Z. O'Ess, after all. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Irish data centersan opportunity

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Bill Johnson
From: "Bill Johnson" <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 11-Feb-23 13:50:52 Subject: Re: Irish data centersan opportunity? >I don’t know, but I imagine there is more detail in the scientific study it’s >based on. I don’t have acce

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Doug
BM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 11-Feb-23 13:50:52 Subject: Re: Irish data centersan opportunity? I don’t know, but I imagine there is more detail in the scientific study it’s based on. I don’t have access to it. The study findings were published on Thursday in an article in the journal Sci

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Bob Bridges
This is just a reflex, but that's VERY unlikely. Such predictions are almost always based on "if this trend continues...". But trends never continue - never. Mind you, sometimes they change for the worse. But 27% doesn't sound plausible. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Bill Johnson
I don’t know, but I imagine there is more detail in the scientific study it’s based on. I don’t have access to it. The study findings were published on Thursday in an article in the journal Science. It was a collaboration of five scientists at Northwestern University, the Lawrence Berkeley

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 17:40:21 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >... >The digital services churned out by the world’s computer centers are >multiplying, but their energy use is not, thanks to cloud computing, a new >study says. > > - Share on Facebook > - Share on WhatsApp > - Post on

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Bill Johnson
Not as bad as feared. And I’m an environmentalist. Cloud Computing Is Not the Energy Hog That Had Been Feared The digital services churned out by the world’s computer centers are multiplying, but their energy use is not, thanks to cloud computing, a new study says. - Share on

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Interesting that Ireland & concern for electric power consumption by computers should appear together in a new context. In late 2017 there were articles widely quoted (and since questioned on accuracy) that use of computers for mining cryptocurrency was estimated to consume annually more

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Dave Jones
All good questions, Paul. And you are correct about the URL, too, thanks for fixing that. The article does claim that data centres (sp?) could take up 27% of the [Irish] national electricity output by 2029. DJ -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:40:30 -0600, Dave Jones wrote: >Recently the BBC posted an article about how the grow in Irish data centers >(or "centres" for the Brits) is causing a possible power crises. See "Can we >make the internet less power-thirsty?"

Irish data centers....an opportunity?

2023-02-11 Thread Dave Jones
Recently the BBC posted an article about how the grow in Irish data centers (or "centres" for the Brits) is causing a possible power crises. See "Can we make the internet less power-thirsty?" (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64429819). Sounds like a great opportunity for IBM to highlight the