Re: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic CAUTION: External Email Tried to read all the responses to this thread but I have missed this point. Unless NJ has a d

Re: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

rom: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Dan at Poodles > >Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM > >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >Subject: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes > Amid Coronavirus Pandemic > > > >Nobody asked th

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mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of Pommier, Rex >Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:22 AM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes >Amid Coronavirus Pandemic > >Yup, this whole thing is akin to someb

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ussion List On Behalf Of Dan at Poodles Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Nobody asked the real question: "What are they paying?". -Original Message---

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dles Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Nobody asked the real question: "What are they paying?". -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion Lis

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

le complaining about that? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Sigh! The system ma

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Bob, Yep, I have done for the State of NJ, State of NY and NYC. They are pretty similar, bureaucratic BS. Backward because some of the managment folks were backward or not listening to the techies. Seen a lot of this and Image you all have too. Scott On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Bob Bridges

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Maybe, but I look at it a little differently. IBM has been aware for some time that their customers are hurting for COBOL (and other MVS-related) skills, and has been working on it. This sounds to me like an attempt to publicize something they've been doing all along. If a few more people become

Re: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Sigh! The system may be 40 years old but the computer in the picture is a

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid > Coronavirus Pandemic > > A better article than most of them, I think: > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/10R7oziYWff-XnS7oxCfjL9m1BdqyyN92QDvpU

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ill the same ax. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

A better article than most of them, I think: https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/new-jersey-unemployment-cobol-coronavirus.html Had to laugh at IBM saying "We're giving away COBOL training to help with this!" - right, just what we need, newbie COBOL programmers fixing mission-critical syste

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Seymour J Metz wrote: >because you seemed to find unusual something that was bog standard. No, I wondered which of a few possibilities it was. RIF. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send emai

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Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:37 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid > Coronavirus Pandemic > > Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >It's not unusual for a tenured professor to tak

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid > Coronavirus Pandemic > > Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >It's not unusual for a tenured professor to take a sabbatical and teach > elsewhere. > > > > Um.no kidding. What

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

, 2020 12:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Seymour J Metz wrote: >It's not unusual for a tenured professor to take a sabbatical and teach >elsewhere. Um.no kidding. What&#

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Bob Bridges wrote: >He was just responding to your parenthesis, I assumed. Explaining how sabbaticals work to a faculty brat? Why? That wasn't the question I asked at all. Ju

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Scott: You must also agree its not always efficient coding or usage of memory. In my experience, it was ease of usage. For example, you mention HLASM and people 'give you that look'. It also depends on the person writing the code itself. Just my $.02 worth Scott On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 8:33 AM

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In Mexico of course the CICS maps were in Spanish On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:15 PM scott Ford wrote: > Yeah, I worked in Mexico and Europe , primarily Swiss French. The CICS > maps were in the countries language. Where our initial challenge was Swiss > French keyboards, they were quiet different

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Yeah, I worked in Mexico and Europe , primarily Swiss French. The CICS maps were in the countries language. Where our initial challenge was Swiss French keyboards, they were quiet different. Scott On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:39 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > He was just responding to your parenthesis, I

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

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He was just responding to your parenthesis, I assumed. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Q: Why is there no such organization as Chocoholics Anonymous? A: Because no one wants to quit. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:10:02 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Sigh: > >https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a32095395/cobol-programming-language-covid-19/ > At the end it really goes off the rails when it starts making performance assumptions that Java would be impossibly slow, and maybe Pytho

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

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Well, there was that one bit about a "40-year-old system comprised of a COBOL mainframe and four other separate systems". But it's attributed to an anonymous "leader from Connecticut"; maybe the writer of the article flinched as badly as I did, but didn't feel obligated to say so. (Once I lear

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: > > Spot the huge errors. > I didn’t think this article was all that bad. The biggest error was in a quote from a politician, which I understood to be giving an example of some of the stupid stuff people (mostly politicians) are saying. I tho

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10, 2020 9:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 13:09:56 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: > >Another friend had a colleague who allegedly wrote a program using variables >whose names

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 13:09:56 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: > >Another friend had a colleague who allegedly wrote a program using variables >whose names were all zeroes and ohs and ones and ells [spelling these out for >readability]. He eventually trashed it because HE couldn't debug it! > Leads m

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metz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Phil Smith III [li...@akphs.com] Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Tony Thigpen wrote: >Ma

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Tony Thigpen wrote: >Many years ago, a programmer where I worked was told to write a program >in Cobol instead of RPG (which he preferred). So he did, but all the >variables were in Spanish. Management was not impressed. When my dad was teaching in South America (which he'd do for a few mont

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Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Ooh, SQL, I forgot about that one. I sure did have problems with SQL when I first tried to wrap my head around it. Maybe I'll have to exclude it from the set of "algorithmic languages", if I'm to preserve my original assertion. (Thankfully I had a SQL jock who sat nearby, about the same time I

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:07 AM Nightwatch RenBand wrote: > I totally agree with Bob Bridges. It can be boiled down to "all > programming languages do the same things, just in, of ten, slightly > different ways." Learn one, and you have a head start to learning any of > them. > Unless your min

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WISP??? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic [External Email. Exercise caution when

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ssion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic I'm not familiar with Prolog, but if it doesn&#x

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I'm not familiar with Prolog, but if it doesn't (in John's words) do Input, Process or Output I can see it wouldn't have much in common with COBOL. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The conviction of the rich that the poor are happier is no more foolish than the convict

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Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic I totally agree with Bob Bridges. It can be boiled down to "all programming languages do the same things, just in, of ten, slightly diff

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Good point, and one not often enough mentioned nowadays, I suspect (though I've been away from applications development long enough now that I'm out of touch). I was a COBOL developer for 15 years and somehow never got near CICS or DB2. I learned SQL later, and never did do any CICS development

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

I apologize if I'm repeating, but let me say that there are more skills to a "COBOL programmer" than learning COBOL. There is JCL, utilities, data set usage, CICS, DB2, etc, etc. If IBM or big companies that rely on these skills really wanted to solve them, they probably could. My belief is th

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Nightwatch I agree, totally On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 11:07 AM Nightwatch RenBand wrote: > I totally agree with Bob Bridges. It can be boiled down to "all > programming languages do the same things, just in, of ten, slightly > different ways." Learn one, and you have a head start to learning any

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

I totally agree with Bob Bridges. It can be boiled down to "all programming languages do the same things, just in, of ten, slightly different ways." Learn one, and you have a head start to learning any of them. Best thing I learned: Virtually all programs come down to Input, Process, Output. ---

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W dniu 06.04.2020 o 21:21, Tony Thigpen pisze: Many years ago, a programmer where I worked was told to write a program in Cobol instead of RPG (which he preferred). So he did, but all the variables were in Spanish. Management was not impressed. This was in North Alabama early 1980's and there

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 3:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Many years ago, a programmer where I worked was told to write a program in Cobol instead of RPG (which he

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic It's why I said "especially at first". Once you get used to a language, it makes little difference to you whether you write "ADDI RG5,LDL" or "ADD L

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rsey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic It's why I said "especially at first". Once you get used to a language, it makes little difference to you whether you write "ADDI RG5,LDL" or "ADD LAMDA-LEVEL TO SUBTOT". But when you'

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

It's why I said "especially at first". Once you get used to a language, it makes little difference to you whether you write "ADDI RG5,LDL" or "ADD LAMDA-LEVEL TO SUBTOT". But when you're first learning a language, and especially when you're learning your ~first~ language, yeah, it really helps.

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Yeah, I saw that line too. I don't know of ~any~ 3GL algorithmic languages that are very "English-like", alt

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Yeah, I saw that line too. I don't know of ~any~ 3GL algorithmic languages that are very "English-like", although I suppose it helps to have recognizable words to program with, especially at first when you're not used to programming. (DYLAKOR touted DYL-280II as a 4GL, but IM-not-so-humble-O it s

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

metz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Seymour J Metz [sme...@gmu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 5:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pan

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frame Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Gabe Goldberg [g...@gabegold.com] Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 12:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Better article: https://secure-web.cisc

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Believe it or not, Leipzig university (Germany) does teach cobol and mainframe. They even got one. ITschak בתאריך יום ב׳, 6 באפר׳ 2020, 0:54, מאת Bob Bridges ‏: > Ok, I was going to resist the temptation, but what the heck. Some of you > may remember this joke from 20 years ago: > > Jack was a

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Better article: https://freedomafterthesharks.com/2016/06/27/exactly-what-is-cobol-and-why-is-cobol-still-a-widely-used-language-in-it/ Phil Smith III said: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-jersey-cobol-coders-mainframes-coronavirus Reasonably bad article but kinda funny/ironic/someth

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Cobol IMS TELON job is paying 59-100K/year in Springfield IL, kind of a low wage. On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 2:09 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > > Says here "COBOL is a dead language that hasn't been taught in most > universities for decades, and the rare COBOL coders command anywhere from > $55 to $85 an h

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_ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Thompson [ste...@copper.net] Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 4:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic I have asked and been to

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am [gada...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 4:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic COBOL is not taught because those that know it can make a much better living using it than teaching college classes to peo

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o: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Today's programmers consider programs "throw-away" just like everything else. Hey also consider them multi-granular, where any piece can be plucked out and replaced wit

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Ok, I was going to resist the temptation, but what the heck. Some of you may remember this joke from 20 years ago: Jack was a COBOL programmer in the late 1990s who (after years of being taken for granted and treated as a technological dinosaur by all the UNIX programmers and Client/Server pro

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Tony, Also the Agile framework and not the Waterfall model of SDLC. I have used both written Cobol and Assembler in both. My impression is everyone is ‘hurrying up and rushing code’. If your code is very modularized then I feel AGile is ok. Scott On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:42 PM Bob Bridges wrot

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That may be true to some extent. I haven't been to college (not counting working at one) in decades. But back then I was getting a degree in Accounting, and took ONE CLASS in programming - sounded boring, but I figured I should know something about computers. I was immediately hooked. We wro

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

Today's programmers consider programs "throw-away" just like everything else. Hey also consider them multi-granular, where any piece can be plucked out and replaced without affecting anything else. This is derived from the OO programming model. (But, we know how models and real-world differ. Ju

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COBOL is not taught because those that know it can make a much better living using it than teaching college classes to people that believe it is “dead” Of course the latter opinion is stupid on the face of it.  After all, how does one replace systems that are not understood

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

I have asked and been told that various universities do not teach languages, they teach theory. So the students learn an object oriented language such as C++ or Java online(?). The statements made and questions asked of/by contract programmers (off shore) relative to COBOL — I believe it. Se

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Says here "COBOL is a dead language that hasn't been taught in most universities for decades, and the rare COBOL coders command anywhere from $55 to $85 an hour". I'm reminded that five or ten years ago one of my sons heard my standard rant #37 about mainframes, and thought maybe he should learn t

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New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-jersey-cobol-coders-mainframes-coronavirus Reasonably bad article but kinda funny/ironic/something. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists.