Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-25 Thread Peter Relson
A few IBM products run with NODSI intentionally. Looking the I&T, looks like PSF, VLF, DLF, FFST, RMF, JES2, JES3, *MASTER*, SMF, CAS To be clear and picky, most of these are components of the z/OS base, not products. There's a big difference between a product needing NODSI and the operating

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:15:08 +, David Purdy wrote: >... >It would be desirable to update a PDSE while DISP=SHR and DSI is set, without >adversely impacting anyone.  There is an exit to have PSF close an idle >library, to be used in conjunction with DSI (if I'm reading the doc right). >Bo

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-24 Thread David Purdy
03c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2019 11:01 AM Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues Thats correct gil.  A few IBM products run with NODSI intentionally.  Looking the I&T, looks like PSF, VLF, DLF, FFST, RMF, JES2, JES3, *MASTER*, SMF, CAS I wouldn’

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-24 Thread Jousma, David
List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:37:52 +

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:37:52 +, Jousma, David wrote: >Defaults to nodsi in sched00 I'm guessing > I'm very naive here. All I know is from a search that found: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.apss000/deppt.htm Other hits seem to indicate that

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-23 Thread David Purdy
Spot on, Dave! -Original Message- From: Jousma, David <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 08:16 PM Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues Defaults to nodsi in sched00 I'

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-23 Thread Jousma, David
.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 From: Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 3:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachmen

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:18:49 +, David Purdy wrote: >Dave, I was unclear.  The process is a dasd volume reorg to maximize >contiguous free extents.  That process, which some products call a sweeper or >compaction, moved a dataset that was opened by PSF but not enqueued.  Quite >right that an

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-23 Thread David Purdy
way is the PDSE being compressed, but combining multiple extents into one for sure. David -Original Message- From: Jousma, David <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 02:41 PM Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues David,  I g

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-23 Thread Tom Marchant
ber 23, 2019 8:34 AM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues > >**CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > >**DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected >emails** > >This is within one sysplex.  We're asking ours

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-23 Thread Jousma, David
David Purdy Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This is within one sysplex.  We're asking ourselve

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-23 Thread David Purdy
2:20 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues > > I recently converted several PSF libraries, resulting in a problem if a dasd > reorg moved the dataset while PSF tasks are up.  PSF does not issue an > enqueue but has the dataset open

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-22 Thread Gibney, Dave
t; To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues > > I recently converted several PSF libraries, resulting in a problem if a dasd > reorg moved the dataset while PSF tasks are up.  PSF does not issue an > enqueue but has the dataset open.  The volume reorg on

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-22 Thread David Purdy
Oct 22, 2019 03:06 PM Subject: PDS to PDSE conversion issues We are currently thinking about converting many of our PDS libraries to PDSE. While researching the possible pitfalls to a PDSE one that concerned me the most is "Blocked Workload" that Thomas Reed discussed at SHARE in 2018.

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 10:17:07 -0500, Toby Seguin wrote: >We are currently thinking about converting many of our PDS libraries to PDSE. >... Anything else I should be looking closer at? > When an aliased PDS member is deleted, the aliases remain valid. For a PDSE the aliases are automatically del

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-22 Thread Mark Jacobs
Take a look at BLWLINTHD and BLWLTRPCT in IEAOPTxx, Tuning options for blocked workloads. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday,

Re: PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-22 Thread Steve Smith
I don't have any recent experience with 100% utilization, but isn't that a generic problem with any shared resource? I doubt this would be an issue unless you have a PDSE with lots of output activity. But I don't see that a PDS would do better. sas On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:27 AM Toby Seguin <

PDS to PDSE conversion issues

2019-10-22 Thread Toby Seguin
We are currently thinking about converting many of our PDS libraries to PDSE. While researching the possible pitfalls to a PDSE one that concerned me the most is "Blocked Workload" that Thomas Reed discussed at SHARE in 2018. This situation is said to occur when CPU is near 100% (pretty common