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Recent experience shows SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=* produces unprintable nonsense
Ho
Recent experience shows SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=* produces unprintable nonsense
However if you're using a LE based language VERBX LEDATA ALL produces a
viable, readable dump.
Check the options for LEDATA some are more applicable to certain
languages than others.
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Poncelet [ponce...@bcs.org.uk]
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FWIW
Pre-IPCS, there was a TSO batch program to format SYSMDUMPs. I can't
remember precisely, but perhaps it was called something like AMSPRDMP or
similar.
With
FWIW
Pre-IPCS, there was a TSO batch program to format SYSMDUMPs. I can't
remember precisely, but perhaps it was called something like AMSPRDMP or
similar.
With IPCS, there are lots of pre-written IPCS REXX execs available
somewhere (if memory serves, they begin with BLS*) and they can be
invok
Here is a video from SHARE Providence 2017.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhI7ntAjVWU
On 4/19/2021 7:56 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 4/18/2021 10:39 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Jerry Ng covered IPCS at SHARE. I don't have
links for his diagnostic presentations.
And after Jerry
On 4/19/2021 5:38 AM, Michael Babcock wrote:
And if I remember correctly you can look at ACTIVE control blocks/memory
using IPCS.
You can do this in any debugger (e.g., TSO TEST) or with your own
hand-written memory program. (There are several on the CBT tape.)
Looking at memory you are auth
On 4/18/2021 10:39 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Jerry Ng covered IPCS at SHARE. I don't have links for his
diagnostic presentations.
And after Jerry Ng retired, Evan Haruta took over and gave many such
presentations.
John Shebey has done this from a z/OS UNIX perspective a
>And if I remember correctly you can look at ACTIVE control blocks/memory
>using IPCS.
Yes, you can. No problem for common storage because that is visible to every
address space. active can also be used to peek into other address spaces and
their data spaces. I hope everybody has protected that
And if I remember correctly you can look at ACTIVE control blocks/memory
using IPCS.
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 7:25 AM Peter Relson wrote:
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> >What is the 21st-Century rationale for not allowing everyone to use IPCS?
> Mostly ignorance, I would guess.
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>
> One "practical" consideration could b
>What is the 21st-Century rationale for not allowing everyone to use IPCS?
Mostly ignorance, I would guess.
One "practical" consideration could be "not being willing to properly
protect dump data sets".
If that's the case, restricting IPCS makes it harder (but far from
impossible) for "Jane P
ley, Peter x23353 [031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
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Point-and-shoot SYSUDUMP debuggers like DumpMaster (from Macro4 I think)
provide a lot of the capabilities an average programmer wit
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>I consider //SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=* to be the best way to manage batch
>job dumps. We've done this for year
>I consider //SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=* to be the best way to manage batch job
>dumps. We've done this for years with excellent results.
Until you get burned really badly in a commercial installation: We had an
address space (STC) where the job output went into the archive product. Someone
had put sy
Jesse 1 Robinson [jesse1.robin...@sce.com]
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I take the same approach to SYSMDUMP and to SYSABEND: tell people not to direct
them to sysout. If you find one, trash it. Be prepared to fight this up the
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PMFJI here, but let me repeat what I have said before on this list - not every
shop permits application programmers to use IPCS. I had to apply for special
permission to use it for a complex production error a long time ago, but it is
not allowed
couple warnings we just start whacking
> their jobs from the spool because they're filling it up.
>
> Rex
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ttles for our application programmers, I just didn't have
the energy to fight that one too.
Peter
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On 4/
On 4/16/2021 1:52 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
PMFJI here, but let me repeat what I have said before on this list - not every
shop permits application programmers to use IPCS. I had to apply for special
permission to use it for a complex production error a long time ago, but it is
not allo
Jaffe
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On 4/16/2021 1:37 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
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> I consider //SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=* to be the best way to manage batch
> job dumps. We've done this for years with excellent re
On 4/16/2021 1:37 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
I consider //SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=* to be the best way to manage batch
job dumps. We've done this for years with excellent results.
Actually, we use //SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=D
Class "D" here is specifically for dumps and we make it spin-off so if
it needs to
On 4/16/2021 1:04 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
I take the same approach to SYSMDUMP and to SYSABEND: tell people not to direct
them to sysout. If you find one, trash it. Be prepared to fight this up the
food chain. Make sure you have allies in the right places. It could get nasty.
I consider /
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Some of ours do too, and after a couple warnings we just start whacking their
jobs from the spool because they're filling it up.
Rex
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Some of our new developers have //SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=* in their JCL.
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Some of our new developers have //SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=* in their JCL.
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> Some of our new developers have //SYSMDUMP DD SYSOUT=*
t 12:30 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Well, back when AMDPRDMP was a thing, you could print a SYSMDUMP, but why
> would you want to? Searching a large dump on SPOOL is a RPITA, and doing it
> on paper is worse. Yes, IPCS has its faults, but it's so much nicer than the
&g
Well, back when AMDPRDMP was a thing, you could print a SYSMDUMP, but why would
you want to? Searching a large dump on SPOOL is a RPITA, and doing it on paper
is worse. Yes, IPCS has its faults, but it's so much nicer than the older
alternatives.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
My answer, being nit-picky, is: no, you cannot print a SYSMDUMP, aside
from printing the dump records themselves such as in hex but you can
direct IPCS to write its output to a data set that you could then print,
after doing whatever IPCS commands you have chosen to do.
For example, from some
In article you wrote:
> Is there any way to actually print a sysmdump?
First, you'll get better results emailing the listserv rather than posting
directly
to the newsgroup.
Printing a SYSMDUMP is doable, but not particularly useful. It can come in
handy if
you want someone to look a
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