Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 7503442349556875.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 01/12/2014 at 09:55 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Thereby sacrificing some small economy of storage. There are even better arguments for deferring the disambiguation, such as: o Use of tabs as field separators in

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 52d2d540.1020...@t-online.de, on 01/12/2014 at 06:47 PM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de said: IMO, the idea to put tab characters into files is wrong from the beginning. I don't agree; it's useful for text markup. I don't like taking away a printable character as a logical tab.

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:09:40 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Thereby sacrificing some small economy of storage. There are even better arguments for deferring the disambiguation, such as: o Use of tabs as field separators in exported data bases. o Rendering in proportional-spaced fonts,

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 03:48:45 -0500, Ed Finnell wrote: It might survive as .txt attachment. Everything else gets sliced and diced. Depends on the MUA. The text I submitted earlier by email: == Polyglot == A common Russian phrase is ОЧЕНЬ ХОРОШО. The Greek might be ΠΟΛΥ ΚΑΛΑ. ...

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread John Gilmore
On the several keyboards I have at hand tab is modal, right or left depending upon the current shift-key setting. The modal marking appears to be | tab| | —— | | —— | in which the 'arrowheads' are solid, not open. I should think that '|' would be adequately perspicuous. The

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:29:22 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: ... [Tabs'] effects depend upon local tab settings, and many implementations disambiguate them by replacing them with blanks of currently equivalent effect in saved/stored files. Thereby sacrificing some small economy of storage. There

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
IMO, the idea to put tab characters into files is wrong from the beginning. But of course it comes from the paper tape paradigma, where a file is historically a paper tape feeding a teletype machine. With normal local typewriters, a tab is nothing other than a command to the typewriter to

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Two short additions: first: Regards in the 4th paragraph is a sort of typo, should read Regarding second: from the moment on when we terminated to exchange files by paper tape, we should have stopped to put tabs into files from that same moment on - if not before. My opinion ... Kind regards

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
you have the problem to decide what tab positions this file is meant to have, and you always have to guess, and it's wrong most of the time, and the result looks awful Your solution would also look awful with proportional text. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Am 12.01.2014 19:10, schrieb Ted MacNEIL: you have the problem to decide what tab positions this file is meant to have, and you always have to guess, and it's wrong most of the time, and the result looks awful Your solution would also look awful with proportional text. My focus is on source

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:59:25 +0100, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: second: from the moment on when we terminated to exchange files by paper tape, we should have stopped to put tabs into files from that same moment on - if not before. My opinion ... Why? Where else would you keep them? Regards tabs

Re: Subject Unicode (Also email. Also TAB.)

2014-01-12 Thread John Gilmore
Tabs are useful for formatting input text. I use tab settings of 10, 16. 35, and 72 for HLASM source formatting; but I will not use a text editor that does not---optionally for those who have other preferences---replace tabs with blanks during save/storage operations. Bernd and I are thus in