Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-02 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 09:16:43 PM PDT, David Crayford > wrote: > The raison d’être of the mainframe is to run applications written in COBOL. Companies could convert COBOL to C++ without a problem but you can't move those programs to Linux. The need for z/OS has nothing to do with

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-02 Thread Roger W Suhr
m my personal laptop) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schmitt, Michael Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 2:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: They are *all* dinosaurs I'm trying to find where Micro Focus COBOL supports collections and dictio

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-02 Thread Schmitt, Michael
s allowing access to JVM features? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 11:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: They are *all* dinosaurs > On 2 Aug 2023, at 11:38 am, Jon Perryman wrote: > >&

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-01 Thread David Crayford
> On 2 Aug 2023, at 11:38 am, Jon Perryman wrote: > >> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 05:18:46 PM PDT, David Crayford >> wrote: >> The obvious difference is that C/C++ etc are still evolving. >> The z/OS COBOL compiler hasn’t implemented significant features >> of the ANSI standard. If I were

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-01 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 05:18:46 PM PDT, David Crayford > wrote: > The obvious difference is that C/C++ etc are still evolving.  > The z/OS COBOL compiler hasn’t implemented significant features  > of the ANSI standard. If I were a COBOL programmer I would like  > the language to suppor

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-08-01 Thread David Crayford
> On 31 Jul 2023, at 10:28 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > The media sling around terms like dinosaur and legacy for mainframes and > mainframe software, and tout "new" languages and platforms like C, Unix and > windows. But look at the dates and explain to me, e.g., how z is legacy but > x86 is

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-07-31 Thread Rupert Reynolds
Seems very fair to me. I remember Dylan Beattie quoted something similar in one of his talks, and I think he was quoting Douglas Adams. Yes, here it is:- 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anyt

Re: They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/23 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: But look at the dates and explain to me, e.g., how z is legacy but x86 is not, how z/OS is legacy but Unix is not, how COBOL and PL/I are legacy but C is not. Oh! That's simple. "legacy" is what existed before the "new and hot thing" when someone wa

They are *all* dinosaurs

2023-07-31 Thread Seymour J Metz
The media sling around terms like dinosaur and legacy for mainframes and mainframe software, and tout "new" languages and platforms like C, Unix and windows. But look at the dates and explain to me, e.g., how z is legacy but x86 is not, how z/OS is legacy but Unix is not, how COBOL and PL/I are