z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
This was stated on the z/VSE LISTSERV, can someone confirm (or deny) it? Here is a quick tip. When running under VM with multiple VSE's it is usually NOT a good idea to define multiple CPU's to VSE and expect turbo dispacher to handle them. Why? Because z/VM will not dispach a VSE unless it

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com wrote: This was stated on the z/VSE LISTSERV, can someone confirm (or deny) it? Here is a quick tip. When running under VM with multiple VSE's it is usually NOT a good idea to define multiple CPU's to VSE and expect

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Tom Huegel
I know you are a smart guy Rob, but I beg to differ with you on this point. At least where VSE is concerned. I have done this and can reproduce results at will (that is if I stilled worked there). Environment: 4 CPU z890. 8 gig real memory. z/VM 5.4 7 production VSE's VSE 2.7 z/VSE 3.1 With VSE's

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Kris Buelens
VSE's turbo dispatcher is known not to be the best in avoiding MP overhead, the VSE lab published tables with its MP overhead. So, never draw conclusions from VSE tests in MP situations to apply them to other environments. And, I don't see where your measurement would disagree with what Rob often

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com wrote: With VSE's using only 1 CPU (non-dedicated) I carfully selected a one hour job mix. Giving VSE's 4 CPU's (non-dedicated) the same job mix ran close to 1hr 20min... This is wall clock time, which in final analysis is the

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Michael Harding
: VMBearDad (AIM), mbhcpcvt (Y!) The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 09/29/2010 02:52:15 PM: From: Rob van der Heij rvdh...@velocitysoftware.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 09/29/2010 02:52 PM Subject: Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM Sent by: The IBM z/VM

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Tony Thigpen
IBM has said many, many times to never, never use more than 3 CPU's with VSE, and even 3 is be bad with most work loads. This is due to the overhead of the Turbo-Dispatcher. With 4 you were spinning the dispatcher more than servicing the jobs. Try your job with just 2 CPUs. Tony Thigpen

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Tom Huegel
OK .. maybe Cathrine M. will chime in I can't remember everything we tried, but she takes notes. If I remember correctly nothing worked better than 1 CPU. I set share manually and let VMRMSVM do it dynamically. I think VMRMSVM did a better job overalll than I did manually. On Wed, Sep 29, 2010

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread Tony Thigpen
With most workloads, IBM says to get the largest UNI you can. Remember, with z/VSE, only one CPU can be used by a single partition at a time. If you have a heavy CPU usage partition, like CICS, that uses up all the cycles it can, then adding another CPU just adds overhead. The only time I really

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread McBride, Catherine
Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Wed Sep 29 18:55:45 2010 Subject: Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM With most workloads, IBM says to get the largest UNI you can. Remember, with z/VSE, only one CPU can be used by a single partition

Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM

2010-09-29 Thread McBride, Catherine
@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Wed Sep 29 18:48:43 2010 Subject: Re: z/VSE dispatch of multi-CPU under VM OK .. maybe Cathrine M. will chime in I can't remember everything we tried, but she takes notes. If I remember correctly nothing worked better than