By Wrangler Jane:
What is natural riding? Some might even put forward
it's not natural at all to sit on a horse's back!
I like to think of natural as meaning 'approached
from the horse's point of view'.
Before getting on a horse's back, you need his or
her permission to do so, and yes! - that is
How was the clinic and did anyone get pictures?
Who did the saddle fitting?
Judy
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the one sad thing we learned is: my beloved hrimnir saddle -- which fits
> stjarni *perfectly* -- is too darn big for my tiny self. >
i looked at the sensation treeless pages,
> but they seemed to imply that most of their saddles were in the 17"
> range as well.
I dunno. I'd still look into th
> > We think they are stress founder rings, as we have seen them when we
> > have imported from Iceland to hawaii,
I agree. They can also appear because of an injury to the foot.
When Gusti had a puncture wound in the sole of one of his feet...a
month or so later we noticed a definite ring on th
On 15/05/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another thing that is required for jumping, is the ability of the horse to
> round up. Icelandics, in general, don't have as much of that ability as
> other horses.
> Judy
That can vary too. Depends on how much horse is hanging over those fron
>
> We think they are stress founder rings, as we have seen them when we
> have imported from Iceland to hawaii,
Hey Skye, this makes me curious: I know that horses imported to the
mainland generally go to NY and then stay in quarantine before being
shipped by trailer to wherever they are suppose
. "20min of grazing 4" pasture is equal to 10lbs of
> hay". I'll try to confirm or dispel that, it sounds like an awful
> lot, plus there would be so many variables. If anyone knows where I
> could find info I'd appreciate it.
Hi Janine, I'm glad to hear Safi is doing better. I wonder if your
ve
Cute girls!!
Raven
Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn, the American Ice Pony
Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
I didn't know Stubben made custom saddles, but I will be needing a new saddle
for my Icelandics and the 30+ year old Stubben I have always loved is a great
fit. I'd sure like to find something similar.
I saw one called a Strada that I think looks really nice, then discovered that
its $3000 pri
On 15/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> anyone have any suggestions? i looked at the sensation treeless pages,
> but they seemed to imply that most of their saddles were in the 17"
> range as well.
>
> thanks much,
> --vicka
If it were me, I'd start eating a few extra sandwich
> When Alex advances, should she want to, would you think Orri is built
> better for jumping? Or is it too soon to tell?
Where is his LS joint? Are his hind legs angled or post-legged? Does he
round up easily?
Hlynur is a good jumper. He got soured on it tho. He will jump at liberty
now,
> horses. SSHBEA horse jumps are 3 ft. and they jump them and clear
> them, but watching the competition you see they don't gait, they
> canter around just like a "normal" horse.
Another thing that is required for jumping, is the ability of the horse to
round up. Icelandics, in general, don't
> them, but watching the competition you see they don't gait, they
> canter around just like a "normal" horse.
I don't recall if Gat trots. I tried to look closely at the last video and
I saw Alex posting, but I believe Gat was pacing, and then doing a pacey
canter. The video was compressed
>> All horses can jump, but it depends on how good you want them to be, or
>> how
>> much it affects them as to whether they want to or can do it.
>>
> I got it in my mind from something I read that if the horse has a good
> strong trot their jumping ability will be better. So i thought Brenna
>> All horses can jump, but it depends on how good you want them to be, or
>> how
>> much it affects them as to whether they want to or can do it.
>>
> so its like I COULD be a basketball player but I probably won't ever
> make it into the NBA
>
> But at gats level. I don't know exactly what
> I'd go along with that idea IF I thought the problem was with Gat. However,
> if the coach is going to enter her in classes that she (Alex) isn't
> confident to be in, it's very likely the school horse will refuse too - many
> times (probably most) refusals come when the rider isn't confident.
>
> Among the folks I ride with, this "bit" is used only on well trained horses
> who don't need much direction or correction to go down the trail.
Definitely! In beginner hands this would be downright cruel! I would
think the S shape would allow for more leverage on the nose and poll
than a str
On 5/15/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gat CAN jump,
> at least the little low cross-rails.
Gat can jump cross rails and low verticals. She does refuse at times
but it's getting less now that she's getting confident, and if another
horse goes before her in class she's right ther
On 5/15/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree that the coach set her up to fail and that angers me no end. I don't
> know that Gat will "make it" as a hunter pony, but this incident certainly
> wasn't her fault.
>
For Alex's first time in a show I thought that Gat would be perf
>>> Liz Graves said Tivar was BUILT for weight bearing. That he can bear
not only a heavier human, but his back length is such that he is ok with a
larger/longer saddle.
Tivar has really big cannon bones, and wide-sprung ribs. He's a tank - and
a very good-looking one too!
Karen Thomas
[EMAIL P
> measured him at a clinic. We both measured him at 13.1H, but he seems
> taller since he's such a tank-boy.
>
> I think that means that Janice is really 4'11"... :)
I swear I look the same height next to all my horses!
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On 5/15/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My Nasi is exactly Orri's color! Amazing! Orri is dark dun, right?
> > janice--
> > yipie tie yie yo
>
>
> He's registered as a blue dun.
> V
>
so is my nas :) gosh, I will try and
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > the one sad thing we learned is: my beloved hrimnir saddle -- which
fits
> stjarni *perfectly* -- is too darn big for my tiny self.
Have you considered a seat cushion?. I've used them in the past, very
comfy & secure.
If your n
You're probably asking the wrong person, since this is the first time I've
ever used anything like this, but I NEVER do any type of schooling with it in
the riding ring. If I do that kind of work, I will slip a snaffle back on.
I'm use the S-hack the way you might use a halter if you were ridi
> All horses can jump, but it depends on how good you want them to be, or how
> much it affects them as to whether they want to or can do it.
>
I got it in my mind from something I read that if the horse has a good strong
trot their jumping ability will be better. So i thought Brenna would be a
On 5/15/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Do they do lower jumps?
>
>
> The lowest jumps were cross rails and the highest I think were 2'
> something--not sure.
>
> > My Jaspar can go right over a two ft log without breaking
On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My Nasi is exactly Orri's color! Amazing! Orri is dark dun, right?
> janice--
> yipie tie yie yo
He's registered as a blue dun.
V
On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure in this situation, but with walking horses that are held
> behind the vertical with severe bits they will tuck themselves in
> behind the vertical, seeking the endorphins. It can be hard to switch
> them to a mild bit.
I did
On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do they do lower jumps?
The lowest jumps were cross rails and the highest I think were 2'
something--not sure.
> My Jaspar can go right over a two ft log without breaking gait one
> beat.
In lessons the horses either trot or canter when j
On 5/15/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like most things, the S-hack is only as safe as the hands using it - and I
> certainly have seen them in the heavy hands of certain riders.
>
>
Is it used liked a regular bridle/bit?
V
stjarni and i spent the weekend at an awesome icelandics-only centered
riding clinic in vermont, and had a great time and learned a great deal.
the one sad thing we learned is: my beloved hrimnir saddle -- which fits
stjarni *perfectly* -- is too darn big for my tiny self. (that is, in
order to ge
This particular hackamore has only soft biothane over the poll and over the
nose, so the worst thing about it is the chain under the chin and the possible
leverage from the short shanks.
As a life-long fan of a simple snaffle bit, I was sorry to go to anything else,
but this horse apparently h
On 5/15/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > and then the worst of it, pain releases endorphins and comforts them,
> > so after years of it they seek it.
> > Janice
>
>
> Are you serious?!!
> V
>
I'm not sure in this situation,
On 5/15/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> All horses can jump, but it depends on how good you want them to be, or how
> much it affects them as to whether they want to or can do it.
>
so its like I COULD be a basketball player but I probably won't ever
make it into the NBA
Bu
My Nasi is exactly Orri's color! Amazing! Orri is dark dun, right?
janice--
yipie tie yie yo
--- Barbara Sollner-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, please explain to me the pronounced hoof rings that are
> so
> common in horses just imported from Iceland. Those rings sure look
>
> like what in the States are generally considered to reflect
> founder,
> or near founder ep
On 5/15/07, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's a mechanical hackamore--a pull on the reins translates to action
> under the chin by the curb chain, pressure on the nose and pressure on
> the poll. All of these can be very severe.
Oh, I probably don't have the knowledge to use one p
On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and then the worst of it, pain releases endorphins and comforts them,
> so after years of it they seek it.
> Janice
Are you serious?!!
V
>>> Another option if she continues to want to go to shows and gets
discouraged because she isn't competitive is that she could ride a school
horse for the shows for awhile and Gat in her lesson or between lessons.
I'd go along with that idea IF I thought the problem was with Gat. However,
if
I am 5'1 and he is about 13.3, I think?
Nope. I measured Tivar when I had him and I think Robyn or Christine also
measured him at a clinic. We both measured him at 13.1H, but he seems
taller since he's such a tank-boy.
I think that means that Janice is really 4'11"... :)
Karen Thomas
[EMA
> What upset me the most about the day was Alex's coach had entered her
in shows that were above her ability--Alex has only been doing cross rails
and the occasional low verticle. Wouldn't you know, the very first session
at 8am, where Alex was 2nd up were mostly verticles higher than Alex had
i wondered about this statement too Judy! Spotted saddle horse shows
have jumping and they jump just like any horses! Maybe its something to do
with conformation, not gaitedness. Janice
Remember, "gaitedness" is not a single state - it comes in infinite degrees
from pace to trot. I think
I hate to be skeptical, but it kind of rings of one of those... well if
Alex just had a better horse... I just happen to have the perfect horse
for her he is big bucks but for her to meet her potential
I agree that the coach set her up to fail and that angers me no end. I
>> Jumps are not necessarily things that Icelandics can do easily. Consider
>> Gat's "gaitedness".
>>That's what I'm puzzled over--how does gaitedness get in the way of
jumping? Icelandics still have the same structure as other horses and
should be able to jump, am I right?<<
>>>i wondered abou
Good News! The vet was out to reassess Safi's laminitis He was
walking out just fine and she gave us a clean bill of health.
He's no longer in confinement, a week on deep cool sand seemed to
do the trick. If I notice any soreness I'll get him into a pair
of "slippers" but as of this mornin
> What is this horse saying?
>
That is a cool pic. He is saying what's happening
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What this picture says to me is... "If this noseband wasn't so tight I could
breath a whole lot better!!"
Pat G., in MN
>
>
> >I want to see some pics of hocks. The part of the
> hock that is on the
> > inside of the leg.
>
Is that from the back or front??? Lorraine
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On 5/15/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > He is like when you slam your finger in a
> > car door, that's your whole universe until the car door opens.
> >
>
> OMG--that gives me the willies!
> V
>
and then the worst of i
>
>
> i thought it was a french braid but in pics it looks
> like what some
> call a "running braid" and some a "continental
> braid".
> Janice
> --
> yipie tie yie yo
I would like to learn how to do that. Are there
books? Lorraine
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> > http://www.hought.com/end.s.hackamore.html
>
>
> How does this work? Like a sidepull? It's pretty.
> V
It's a mechanical hackamore--a pull on the reins translates to action
under the chin by the curb chain, pressure on the nose and pressure on
the poll. All of these can be very severe.
Rob
On 5/15/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it just felt like she was very solid
> underneath me and slow and steady. I would definitely ride them
> again.
They sound cool--I've only seen them on photos.
V
>
> Great photo. Do mules feel the same way as riding a horse? Do they
> act like a horse?
> V
>
You have to understand that I only have experience with this one mule
so I can only talk about that experience. She was a very smooth
riding mule - I could sit her trot easily and her canter felt l
The Atlantic Rider forum has posted some photos from the weekend show
that Alex and Gat attended -- they're not in any of the photos but I
thought I'd share the link (hope it works):
http://www.atlanticrider.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1802
V
>>What kind of saddle is that? I'm still looking for a good mule
> saddle that won't slip when we mount.
It is a Sensation Dressage Trail model. It fit her really well and I
had to get on and off several times to mark trails and there was no
slippage. I had a Skito pad with a wool back and a sm
On 5/14/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A couple of summers ago a group of us got together and put on a fun show
> every other Wednesday evening. We called it hot summer nights. We did it on
> a weeknight so it didn't take up everyone's weekend.
What a fantastic idea!!
Robyn
On 5/14/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's an S-hack, exactly like the one in this photo:
>
> http://www.hought.com/end.s.hackamore.html
How does this work? Like a sidepull? It's pretty.
V
On 5/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He is like when you slam your finger in a
> car door, that's your whole universe until the car door opens.
>
OMG--that gives me the willies!
V
On 5/14/07, Lorraine Voog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > oh wow, everyone else's braid look a little more
> > spiffy than mine,
>
> What kind of braid is that? A french braid? Lorraine
i thought it was a french braid but in pics it looks like what some
call a "running braid" and some a "contin
On 5/14/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is this horse saying?
he is not saying anything. He is like when you slam your finger in a
car door, that's your whole universe until the car door opens.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On 5/14/07, Barbara Sollner-Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>Also, please explain to me the pronounced hoof rings that are so
> common in horses just imported from Iceland. Those rings sure look
> like what in the States are generally considered to reflect founder,
> or near founder episod
We're at Applegate in very Southern Oregon.
We could probably ride to the California border - about 15 mile from our place.
We have talked about doing some of the rides down your way. They're really no
farther than the ones we usually ride in Central Oregon.
Nancy
nancy..thanks for the photo. congratulations!!! <;]raven
He looks like he's afraid. The bit?
Nancy
>>>A couple of summers ago a group of us got together and put on a fun show
>every other Wednesday evening. >Cheryl<<<
Now THAT sounds like the type of show that would promote the type of calm,
sensible, usable horses that people would want to buy and ride
Rachel from E KY
>
>> It was a great activity for kids and adults alike. Everyone had fun and
>> everyone won!
>
> That does sound like fun!
I liked it when I got to award the tickets. I remember one little girl on a
pony that was being difficult. I don't remember what he did... refuse the
jumps, or just acting br
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Yes, voice commands would be another rung up the learning ladder.
>
> Some people who don't do clicker training say that they don't want
to start
> it because they don't want to *have* to treat the horse all
On 5/14/07, Sue McKenney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was very clear by the end of the show that it was all about money. The
> more classes you do the more money they make so they were pushing us all to
> compete when someone like me had no business jumping at all.
We all paid the same flat
On 5/15/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
> It was a great activity for kids and adults alike. Everyone had fun and
> everyone won!
>
That does sound like fun!
V
On 5/14/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hmm...it makes me wonder why a coach would set a youngster up to fail?
> Mind youexperience at failing is not a bad thing either.
>
I think she did learn from this experience.
> I have high hopes for Gat and Alex in the future. They lo
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