Re: [IceHorses] what the heck is this

2007-07-23 Thread Judy Ryder
I recall when Trausti got stung by something and his mouth, head, and neck swelled up... got pictures somewhere. > > My Trausti...? Yes. Gotta go to my old computer to retrieve the pictures. He swelled up really fast and we put an emergency call into the vet. I'm racking my brai

RE: [IceHorses] what the heck is this

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> I recall when Trausti got stung by something and his mouth, head, and neck >>> swelled up... got pictures somewhere. My Trausti...? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Rel

[IceHorses] Stall Skins

2007-07-23 Thread Judy Ryder
This is interesting, a "skin" for the stall, rather than rubber mats: http://www.stallskins.com/stallskins.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

[IceHorses] Extreme Cowboy Race

2007-07-23 Thread Judy Ryder
Janice, did you happen to watch any of the Extreme Cowboy Race? It's on RFD-TV (channel 379 on DirecTV). Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] what the heck is this

2007-07-23 Thread gemstonerotts
Looks like a kick to me, could she have been bitten by something? Sylvia ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

RE: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> I can't think of another person who enjoys re-engineering her saddle as much as Karen! Yes, I do like playing with tack. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.14/912 - Release Date:

Re: [IceHorses] what the heck is this

2007-07-23 Thread Judy Ryder
> I'm hoping that's all it is, though it seems to me that last year she > had some swelling on her chest... Gosh, it seems like I've seen that before, but can't remember exactly when... probably wasn't a terrible thing otherwise I probably would remember it. I recall when Trausti got stung b

[IceHorses] Icelandic Horses For Sale

2007-07-23 Thread Judy Ryder
Here are some adult riding Icelandic Horses for sale: http://iceryder.net/alfasagaforsale.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle

2007-07-23 Thread Susan McKenney
>One thing I have to say about the Sensations - I can't think of another >saddle with so many ways to adjust it for the rider. I can't think of another person who enjoys re-engineering her saddle as much as Karen! Sue

Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic Horses for sale

2007-07-23 Thread Jean Waller
Wow, he is sure a beauty! Where do you live? How much are you asking for Theotore? Jean

Re: [IceHorses] cowhocks

2007-07-23 Thread Pam Hansen
>is yours NICE? Yes, he is very very sweet. He can be very naughty to and I think only those that have them know what I mean by naughty. It all comes down to it has to be his idea, not mine.

[IceHorses] OT -Huginn's Fund Raiser & Online Auction

2007-07-23 Thread Raven
Hello, Many of you are aware that my pony Huginn has been very ill for over a month now. Huginn spent 10 days at the U of Minnesota Vet Hospital. Huginn still has a haul ahead of him and we are hopeful that he will make a full recovery. Many of Huginn's friends have generously donated funds, tac

[IceHorses] what the heck is this

2007-07-23 Thread Docnshop2
It would be unusual to have that much swelling from congestive heart failure that rapidly without her having other symptoms. I bet she was kicked or stung by something. Renee ** Get a sneak peek of th

Re: [IceHorses] Re: What the heck is this?

2007-07-23 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 23/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, let's hope there's another explanation. Holly had an odd lump on her > chest once from a kick that swelled, then the swelling sort of settled and > "sagged". Let's hope it's something that simple. Has it been there long? It wasn't the

[IceHorses] Re: What the heck is this?

2007-07-23 Thread Kim Morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> Good grief...a pic in one of my vet books is very similar and they call it a ventral oedema "which is the result of a heart condition." > > Oh, let's hope there's another explanation. Holly had an odd lump on h

RE: [IceHorses] Re: What the heck is this?

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Good grief...a pic in one of my vet books is very similar and they call it >>> a ventral oedema "which is the result of a heart condition." Oh, let's hope there's another explanation. Holly had an odd lump on her chest once from a kick that swelled, then the swelling sort of settled and "sa

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> I do think that I could become develop a partnership with a horse like this, I'm sure it would take some time. I think it would have to be with no expectations from him, letting him decide when he is comfortable. I think that's very hard for most people to do - to have no expectations. I als

[IceHorses] Re: What the heck is this?

2007-07-23 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 23/07/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kria was 23 this spring, so she's a little older, but still in great > shape physically..with a good appetite. I'm not sure if I should be > worried or not. I've never seen this before. Good grief...a pic in one of my vet books is very sim

RE: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
I've seen there are many riders here that love their Sensation saddles but are there many that have tried it and for some reason didn't like it or it didn't fit (rider or horse)? I think the saddle fits a LOT of Icelandic horses. I have 15 riding age Icelandic horses and I can use it on eve

[IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse

2007-07-23 Thread Kim Morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Kaaren Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As > long as I was there, Gylfi was always standoffish when we would go out every > few days to do a visual & head count of all the horses. I was interested > in him because of his size (very stout & tall) and wonde

Re: [IceHorses] Vinney's trailer loading and gelding experience

2007-07-23 Thread Robyn Schulze
By the end of the day, he was > loading and unloading by himself. I also left him > there because I could control his food and water > intake better. Perfect! I've heard of plenty of NH types who talk about how horrible it is to leave the horse w/ the trailer and put food and water in the trail

RE: [IceHorses] Starting the young mares - pics from today's session

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> My trainer who is so cool. Pedro, snaps his fingers over my horses back and she side passed over to the mounting block. I don't know if you saw the pictures I took of my husband with this mare yesterday. He had her standing at the mounting block, while he leaned on her, but he missed several

RE: [IceHorses] Starting Maja under saddle - video series from this morning

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> awesome karen! She is whse mother?? Kola? She is so beautiful. Yes, Kola's mom. >>> I liked seeing Shirleys little boy scampering around, and the sauntering >>> through the scene cat haha There's always at least one cat underfoot, a dog or two in the background, but the little boys

Re: [IceHorses] Starting Maja under saddle - video series from this morning

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
awesome karen! She is whse mother?? Kola? She is so beautiful. She wants to smell everything like stonewall. he is very curious about smells. and acts the same way, like he want to very casually sneak a smell of something, like maybe it is bad herd behavior, rude, to smell things :) I liked

[IceHorses] Re: [GaitedHorse] Vinney's trailer loading and gelding experience

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
thats the only way we can get our donkey into a trailer humanely. He's only been hauled like 4 times in his life and to get him in a trailer you either have to pick him up one at each end like hes a recliner chair or something, thank goodness he's never been a kicker, but he weighs around 4-500 i w

[IceHorses] Vinney's trailer loading and gelding experience

2007-07-23 Thread susan cooper
I've been working the past 2 weeks on getting Vinney to trailer load in order to get him to the vet for his gelding. It wasn't going so good. I was consistantly getting his front feet on and no further. I have an older 2 horse straight load step up trailer, and I did take the partition out to ma

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandic Horses for sale

2007-07-23 Thread gemstonerotts
What horse is for sale? I am selling my QH and will want another Icelandic to keep my pony happy. If anyone knows of a baby for sale reasonable let me know. I don't really ride so I like to have them as babies. I would love to cart. That would be my dream. I saw my first baby the other day,

[IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse

2007-07-23 Thread Kaaren Jordan
Actually none of the usual scenario with Gylfi. For a few years in the late90's I helped Elizabeth in my spare time as much as I could as she was very overwhelmed with too many horses, not enough help. When I was there, Elizabeth Haug started many of her horses after they had been out running in

Re: [IceHorses] Starting the young mares - pics from today's session

2007-07-23 Thread gemstonerotts
My trainer who is so cool. Pedro, snaps his fingers over my horses back and she side passed over to the mounting block. Then he taught her to lay down so I could get on if I was hurt or not able. I have Multiple Sclerosis. He is getting my boy as soon as I drive him up there. He was gelded la

[IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse

2007-07-23 Thread Kim Morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When i introduced myself to a woman at a driving demo who had an icey > the first words out of her mouth when i told her about nasi were "make > sure when he is ready you send him to a traditional icelandic traine

[IceHorses] Re: Icelandic Horses for sale

2007-07-23 Thread Kaaren Jordan
I know Theotore, having ridden out quite a few times with his owner & with Allesia who so caringly "took over" both horses when his owners husband was very ill. Nice to look at & nice in personality. He deserves a wonderful "forever" home. He's quite safe to pull a cart & is quite a flashy c

RE: [IceHorses] Oat Hay

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
The oat hay I saw out in CA looked just like straw. "Straw" is normally the old, dried stem part of oats or wheat, so if it were cut late, it was essentially straw. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Viru

[IceHorses] Starting Maja under saddle - video series from this morning

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
Rather than try to work a horse myself when Shirley came by today to work Maja for Cary, I elected to get some videos of her working with Cary's beloved Maja, so he can watch tonight. I was able to upload 9 short videos to You Tube, ranging from about 25 seconds to about three minutes, representin

Re: [IceHorses] Oat Hay

2007-07-23 Thread pippa258
Laree Shulman wrote: > Does anyone know anything about oat hay? Has anyone ever fed it? I > was told it was higher fiber hay - is that a bunch of bull? > > I was told it can be quite high in sugar so not good for Cushings or IR horses. The oat hay I saw out in CA looked just like straw. Sta

Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/23/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and i am not interested in gait analysis for how can I get him to be > smooth etc, i am interested because he has changed in the last six > months and now i think he has a hunters bump, a sign of pelvic floor > damage. > >

RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
Krisse has this one... it's a stepping pace. I really don't believe that it's a stepping pace either - the timing on the set down isn't going to be that closely lateral. I also don't think you can draw the yellow lines like you did, not in the rear leg anyway. I think you'd have to look

[IceHorses] Re: Sensation saddle

2007-07-23 Thread Judy Ryder
> I've seen there are many riders here that love their Sensation saddles > but are there many that have tried it and for some reason didn't like it > or it didn't fit (rider or horse)? I'm thinking of Sensation as one > alternative for my horse (that I don't even have yet, still over a month >

RE: [IceHorses] Oat Hay

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
The horses eat it but weren't crazy over it so usually had something to munch on all day. I've never used oat hay personally, but I know that some horses love it. It's often more expensive in our area than fescue. Maybe it's a regional thing - and I'm sure it would depend on whether it was f

RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
and i am not interested in gait analysis for how can I get him to be smooth etc, i am interested because he has changed in the last six months and now i think he has a hunters bump, a sign of pelvic floor damage. Can you get us a picture of the hunter's bump? Are you sure that's

RE: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle

2007-07-23 Thread Robyn Hood
-Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Skise >I realise this has been a much discussed topic but I've been horseless >for years and slso this has been very "North American" topic... >I've seen there are many riders here that love their Sensation saddles >but a

Re: [IceHorses] Oat Hay

2007-07-23 Thread Cherie Mascis
Does anyone know anything about oat hay? Has anyone ever fed it? I > was told it was higher fiber hay - is that a bunch of bull? > > -- > Laree Oat hay was a popular "cheap" hay in Ca. when you couldn't get anything but alfalfa. It can be very high fiber, close to straw, but if baled when in

[IceHorses] Donations for Huginns Heart Gifts

2007-07-23 Thread Debbie Kirchner
Hi guys, Gena and I have been working on all the wonderful donations you can see them on the various links below.. there are many ways to donate to Raven's huge Vet bill, thanks so much for taking a look, bidding, buying, donating or sending Energy to Huginn... we also have a treeless saddle to ad

Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/23/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry Janice, he's still moving laterally. > > Wanda > oh well whew! at least that makes sense! Is it his stepping pace or hard pace? Janice yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Sensation saddle

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
i think sensation dealers are very open and honest about what horses dont do well in them. very heavy riders and horses with very very prominent withers/spine are not good, with the spine tho you can use a pad with sims. The dealers are very helpful and honest about it. Janice -- yipie tie yie y

Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
and i am not interested in gait analysis for how can I get him to be smooth etc, i am interested because he has changed in the last six months and now i think he has a hunters bump, a sign of pelvic floor damage. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

RE: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Here is Jaspar's picture with the other horse's legs removed. I think we have at least two different reasons for looking at what gait pictures. One is for the general education of the list. I think this is a bad example for general education, since it's not really clear to me about the sp

[IceHorses] Sensation saddle

2007-07-23 Thread Skise
I realise this has been a much discussed topic but I've been horseless for years and slso this has been very "North American" topic... I've seen there are many riders here that love their Sensation saddles but are there many that have tried it and for some reason didn't like it or it didn't fit

Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??

2007-07-23 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 23/07/07, Skise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm very new to all these gaits and very bad telling the gaits from > another from a single picture so I'm asking how do you tell this is > foxtrot? To me at the moment the horse looks quite lateral, both left > legs are pointing forward (left hind st

Re: [IceHorses] Oat Hay

2007-07-23 Thread IceDog
I used to feed oat hay to supplement pellets/reg hay. The horses eat it but weren't crazy over it so usually had something to munch on all day. IIRC it was very high in one mineral according to the Feed Requirements for Horses publication, iron? Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Hors

[IceHorses] Oat Hay

2007-07-23 Thread Laree Shulman
Does anyone know anything about oat hay? Has anyone ever fed it? I was told it was higher fiber hay - is that a bunch of bull? -- Laree

Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jaspar

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/22/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is Jaspar's picture with the other horse's legs removed. > > Which legs are working closer in timing, the diagonals or the laterals? > > What gait? the diagonals?? does that mean a foxtrot... you know how I am. I am like jaspar, the

Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/23/07, Skise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm very new to all these gaits and very bad telling the gaits from > another from a single picture so I'm asking how do you tell this is > foxtrot? To me at the moment the horse looks quite lateral, both left > legs are pointing forward (left hind sti

Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic Horses for sale

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
aw man what a cool horse! janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] re: Cow hocks

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/22/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> now theres a handsome guy :)- > > Be sure to tell Curly Ray that I think he's the flashiest spotted donkey I > know too. :) > > Karen Thomas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I would like a bumper sticker that says "kiss my spotted ass" Janice --

Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??

2007-07-23 Thread IceDog
>To me at the moment the horse looks quite lateral, both left > legs are pointing forward (left hind still under the horse and left fore > just coming down) and both right legs are pointing back (has just picked > up the hind and is about to pick up the fore). I agree Krisse, I don't see anyth

Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/23/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Absolutely. Jaspar looks nice and relaxed in the pictures you've sent > recently, so if he can be relaxed, and do something more diagonal, I'd take > that as a very good thing, Janice. > > > Karen Thomas, NC > yes, even my husband say

Re: [IceHorses] Companion Horse

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/23/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > that's what trial periods are for, i think. i didn't buy one icey i > > really liked b/c his owner would only allow a return if he showed signs > > of sweet itch within two weeks. the period i negotiated for stjarni was > > much much

Re: [IceHorses] ALERT - Natural Balance RECALL 7/21/07

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
there are also people foods recalled, for botulism i think! one is for casselbury corn beef hash i think... janice -- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Companion Horse

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/20/07, Kaaren Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry to chime in now, but haven't had the time to follow this thread. Is > Gylfi by any chance a red-bay, very large beautiful gelding that was bred at > Viking Saga Ranch by Elizabeth Haug??? If so , I know this horse from when > he was ou

Re: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/22/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That does look like a fox trot to me. His back must be getting healthy... > I dont know about that Wanda! I was noticing this weekend his hunters bump is back. And he has been on light duty for months now! a hunters bump is supposed to

Re: [IceHorses] Stripes

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
thats bizarre! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Companion Horse

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
> > that's what trial periods are for, i think. i didn't buy one icey i > really liked b/c his owner would only allow a return if he showed signs > of sweet itch within two weeks. the period i negotiated for stjarni was > much much longer, and included suitability for stated purposes. > > --vicka

Re: [IceHorses] Was: No Room .... now bolting, running through the pressure

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
also, in regard to problem horses, iceys in particular bolting, if you have ever lived through a bolt, which i have a couple of times, both occasions when i was so young (5 years old the first time) I didnt even know to be afraid, there was a clear sensation that the horse was mindless. Now the th

Re: [IceHorses] Was: No Room .... now bolting, running through the pressure

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
and parelli's POINT was that you can teach a horse with the thinking side of his brain that comfort can come from giving to pressure. janice yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Was: No Room .... now bolting, running through the pressure

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
I am not a parelli groupie as so many are. and every time his name comes up you see a couple of posts that he's not all that great, etc. But watching this storm series, where you, the viewer, and Linda, got to see the video sent in by the owner, so WE know the horse's issues and Parelli doesn't, i

[IceHorses] Parelli and Storm series

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
I guess Parelli working with STorm isnt a video set you can buy yet, and I see by this program guide i got from the website that he is almost done with storm. But on the 25th we start a new horse "Pedro" so I will try and VCR this series and maybe we can swap them around. Did anyone happen to tape

Re: [IceHorses] The boys

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
The bugs are tearing Tivar up! He is my only horse that rubs against poles and trees to scratch for the bugs. Now I go out every morning and find his fly mask and put it back on. It must be too big for him or something. and I am thinking of a fly sheet bless his heart. janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Starting the young mares - pics from today's session

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
i think horses are best of all creatures at perceiving intent. I can take my crop and whack jaspar or stonewall as hard as I can between the ears to kill a yellowfly and they dont blink. But if I take the crop and wave it at jaspars face when he goes to snatch a bite of weeds on the trail he gets

Re: [IceHorses] skunks?

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
skunks are almost extinct here. they say because now and then rabies or distemper spreads thru the population and almost wipes it out. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] cowhocks

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
oh my god i am in SHOCK there are two of them!! They must be twins separated at birth! is yours NICE?!? Mine is a little brat head! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] west nile problem

2007-07-23 Thread Janice McDonald
On 7/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My Peruvian Paso died shortly after his shot for West Nile Virus made by > Fort Dodge. He was sick with in hours and it took three days for him with > fluids > and meds going down to have him put down. We took spinal fluid for exam after >

[IceHorses] Clinic Report

2007-07-23 Thread Judy Ryder
By Laura: Well, I survived my first clinic and LOVED it! Carol Coppinger was the instructor and wow is that woman fantastic! To be honest, I was terrified to ride my horse in a large arena with 10-12 other horses in a halter and leadline. But by Saturday morning, she had my mare Fate and I wo

Re: [IceHorses] ALERT - Natural Balance RECALL 7/21/07

2007-07-23 Thread Debbie Kirchner
Skye, I thought the same thing, Debbie in MN ~ Please check out how we can all help raise money for Huginn's Hospital Fund ~ http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp ~~~If we all do a little, we will have a lot

RE: [IceHorses] jas foxtrot??

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>>#87 - Eliminating resistance in your horse's mouth.Some horses throw >>>their head up as a result of sudden pain, or fear of one, in the mouth. Of >>>course, when the head goes up, the back goes down and the hind legs trail >>>out behind - complete disengagement.. Interesting that

[IceHorses] Was: No Room .... now bolting, running through the pressure

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> today i watched another episode of pat parelli and Storm, what an awesome >>> series. anyway. in there he is riding a horse and with a long long carrot >>> stick teaching Storm to give to pressure. at one point storm just took off >>> galloping and parelli said "there he goes he's breakin

RE: [IceHorses] Starting the young mares - pics from today's session

2007-07-23 Thread Karen Thomas
Our motto: Training is always easier than RETRAINING! We aim for zero remedial work, even if we go very slowly. >> Oh, that's a good one!!! We'll have to remember that quote. We learned that the hard way, from our own mistakes...as well as from the mistakes of others. I so wish I had not