Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Moamer Khadafi
Belum sempat baca seluruhnya, tapi bukankah kalau gak dipakem Google fragmentasi makin menjadi jadi? ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ On Oct 21, 2013 4:02 PM, "hanafi f" wrote: E... Jadi kepikiran Pantes samsung penuh *bloatware* Apa ini jangan2 alasan *Hugo* pindah ke xiaomi? Google =

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread hanafi f
Kasus Acer + Kindle-nya Amazon, betapa *berkuasanya* google * Acer was bit by this requirement when it tried to build devices that ran Alibaba's Aliyun OS in China. Aliyun is an Android fork, and when Google got wind of it, Acer was told to shut the project down or lose its access to

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Eko Prasetiyo
Ini terkait google apps & google play service ya? Udh cb psg custom rom tp tanpa flash gapps? On Oct 21, 2013 6:03 PM, "hanafi f" wrote: > Kasus Acer + Kindle-nya Amazon, > betapa *berkuasanya* google > > * > > > Acer was bit by this requirement when it tried to build devices that r

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Apriyanto Wahyu Handoko
Dan Kitkat ntar bakalan Google banget buat mempersempit fragmentasi On Oct 21, 2013 5:19 PM, "Moamer Khadafi" wrote: > Belum sempat baca seluruhnya, tapi bukankah kalau gak dipakem Google > fragmentasi makin menjadi jadi? > > ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ > On Oct 21, 2013 4:02 PM, "hanafi f"

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Moamer Khadafi
Sama aja kaya developer yg cuma mau bikin app untuk Android versi tertentu, atau misal game yg eksklusif tegra. Menurut saya sih, itu hak nya Google. Tinggal pake penggantinya kalau gak mau pake gapps. Beres ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ On Oct 21, 2013 6:03 PM, "hanafi f" wrote: > Kasus Ace

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Abdul Hadi G
Kalau sy baca sekilas sih, awalnya android itu open source (AOSP) tapi satu persatu aplikasinya "berevolusi" jadi propetary (close system) milik google seperti calendar, keyboard, google search, location, sms dan mms yg nantinya diintegrasikan ke hangout dll... yg dikhawatirkan, nantinya semua sys

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Moamer Khadafi
IMHO, Kalaulah semua di closed, kan bisa pake app pihak lain bukan? Masalah data di collect, sekali lagi bisa di opt out alias bisa dimatikan. Kalau gak mau alamat rumah n kantor ketahuan Google ya jangan dimasukkan datanya. Kalau gak mau email dibaca Google ya jangan pake Gmail. ▒ Android 4.3 @

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread hanafi f
Diskusi gak menarik, kalau ujungnya : jangan pake. -- | @h4nafi | japri : y...@terserah.de | On 21 Oct 2013 19:22, "Moamer Khadafi" wrote: > IMHO, Kalaulah semua di closed, kan bisa pake app pihak lain bukan? > > Masalah data di collect, sekali lagi bisa di opt out alias bisa dimatikan. > Kalau

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Moamer Khadafi
Bagaimana kalau, pakai yg lain? Ada kan? ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ On Oct 21, 2013 7:29 PM, "hanafi f" wrote: > Diskusi gak menarik, kalau ujungnya : jangan pake. > > -- > | @h4nafi | japri : y...@terserah.de | > On 21 Oct 2013 19:22, "Moamer Khadafi" wrote: > >> IMHO, Kalaulah semua di

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Ryo Saeba
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Moamer Khadafi wrote: > IMHO, Kalaulah semua di closed, kan bisa pake app pihak lain bukan? > lalu siapa yang mau beli? BB mati karena app favorit banyak yang gak jalan. device turunan android ya sama aja gak laku kalo akses ke gapps ditutup. -- http://ryosaeb

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Moamer Khadafi
Yg beli yg gak perlu Google service/app. ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ On Oct 21, 2013 9:38 PM, "冴羽獠 (Ryo Saeba)" wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Moamer Khadafi wrote: > >> IMHO, Kalaulah semua di closed, kan bisa pake app pihak lain bukan? >> > lalu siapa yang mau beli? > > BB mat

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Amurwo Wikan
Device yang dikeluarin di China (macam xiaomi phone dan kawan kawannya) bukannya emang ga ada gapps nya ya? Kayaknya tetep laku ya.. CMIIW ya.. :D ~Wikan~ SZ/IG : wecandroid Sent from nexus³ - 鮪 Powered by ᐇ Jelly Bean 4.3 “ The people before you were destroyed because they used to inflict the

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Ryo Saeba
2013/10/21 Moamer Khadafi > Yg beli yg gak perlu Google service/app. > > > iya, siapa? bisa jawabkah? yang suka main instagram? path? siapa? no wonder gak mencerahkan diskusinya. -- http://ryosaeba.wordpress.com ~ things left unsaid -- == ID-Android on YouTube https://www.youtube.c

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Ryo Saeba
2013/10/21 Amurwo Wikan > Device yang dikeluarin di China (macam xiaomi phone dan kawan kawannya) > bukannya emang ga ada gapps nya ya? Kayaknya tetep laku ya.. CMIIW ya.. :D > http://en.miui.com/thread-2840-1-1.html -- http://ryosaeba.wordpress.com ~ things left unsaid -- == ID-And

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Erwin Kwee
saya rasa ngga semua yang beli xiaomi itu ngoprek hp nya dan inject gapps, bro eko. ngga semua seniat itu dan ngga semua seberani itu. banyak juga yang use it as it is, menurut saya. sebagai pemisalan, dari begitu banyak pengguna android di indo pun juga ngga sedikit yang bahkan belum login ke goo

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Yudhistira Dwi Putra
Ah ga juga deh kayaknya. kayak jaman-jaman symbian, app ga harus dapet dari ovi store kan?. terlebih dengan adanya android developer bisa bikin apps yang bisa dijual di banyak market karena klo aosp ga bakal support play store services. Brati developer bisa punya banyak model bisnis karena para

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Yudhistira Dwi Putra
Sorry om instagram sama path itu bukan dari google service itu emang developernya jual di play store tapi bukan berarti pake google service. Apps yang pake google service itu Google search (now), GMaps, Gmail, dll. On Monday, October 21, 2013 10:08:39 PM UTC+7, Ryo Saeba | 冴羽獠 wrote: > > 2013/10/

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Andre Tampubolon
grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts. Yg beli yg gak perlu Google service/app. ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ On Oct 21, 2013 9:38 PM, "冴羽獠 (Ryo Saeba)" wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Moamer Khadafi w

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread arga_wahyu h ♂
Rekor saya cuma tahan 7 hari tanpa gapps om, saat nexus belum diflash gapps dulu, ga ada play store, gmail, maps, hangout, music player dsb repot euy soalnya sudah familier dengan ui nya Sent from my backup device | RAZR XT910 by MOTOROLA™ On 21 Oct 2013 22:40, "Erwin Kwee" wrote: > saya rasa ng

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Eko Prasetiyo
Xiaomi dkk yg ga ada gapps kan msh bisa install apk ato pke apps market lain. Dan ini udh langsung bisa kan? Ga perlu root jailbreak ato apapun. Artinya enduser yg menentukan dia mo pke aplikasi apa di handset nya. Klo ujungnya dia mo pke aplikasi google ya tinggal psg gapps, ato klo mo pke google

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread hanafi f
Gak berlaku. Semuanya yang make google api harus via play service. Play service itu closed system. Contoh : Amazon dengan kindle-nya. ** If you use any Google APIs and try to run your app on a Kindle, or any other non-Google version of AOSP: surprise! Your app is broken. Google's Android is

Re: [id-android] WTI : Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary Android is open—except for all the good parts.

2013-10-21 Thread Yudhistira Dwi Putra
nah itu om. makanya klo semua manufakturer mw bikin ekosistem mereka sendiri, mereka bakalan terbebas dari google play service. Contoh ya samsung app store. Wah klo google ad service bebas google ad brati asik dong jadi developer bisa bikin model bisnis aplikasi premium. Dan dengan banyaknya ma