> - the issue of how to deal with spam on IETF lists is entirely relevant
> to IETF business and therefore an appropriate topic for discussion
> on the IETF list.
>
> - the issues of how IETF participants deal with the press, and how
> to interpret IETF policies regarding individual partic
>... Do I calculate return using an exponential curve or the S-shaped
> logistics curve?
Since the number of respondents is not infinite at present, but is
theoretically unbounded over time, you have to use a sigmoid curve,
but not this logistical sigmoid:
Y = a + b / (1 + exp(-c*(X - d)))
On Wed, 30 May 2001 16:09:43 EDT, Betty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails.
> The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3.
> Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails
> sent ou
It seems like a good idea to repeat this URL with a slightly more
apropos subject line:
http://www.pulver.com/hr1542
It looks like the ghost of Ma Bell, the U.S. Telecomm Association,
is going after IP telephony with a vengance, and politics that
probably include most of their annual lobbyi
> IMHO, you are mistaken.
>
> - the issue of how to deal with spam on IETF lists is entirely relevant
> to IETF business and therefore an appropriate topic for discussion
> on the IETF list.
I agree in this point, but the way it was handled I think it was
innapropriate because of the people c
> Please, IETF list is for technology and its development discussions, not
> for complaint about spam or cheap politics.
IMHO, you are mistaken.
- the issue of how to deal with spam on IETF lists is entirely relevant
to IETF business and therefore an appropriate topic for discussion
on t
> Please, IETF list is for technology and its development discussions, not
> for complaint about spam or cheap politics.
Okay, I'd like to complain about the complaints about
the complaints. 1) They're messing with my worldview,
and 2) the traffic from them is exceeding the complaint
traffic
> Please, IETF list is for technology and its development discussions, not
> for complaint about spam or cheap politics.
Didn't you know? That's how the IETF works (and as the
spam thread suggested, you can always unsubscribe or hit delete...)
gja
I once had an employer who made all of their employees sign a contract
stating any technical thing they do while employed by the company is owned
by the company, regardless of whether it was done on the employee's time
and in the employee's home, and the employee isn't allowed to print
articles o
I thought IETF was about technology, internet, communications and their
development, but from a few days now this list has become a senseless place
(I don't wanna call it a forum under the present circumstances) where
everyone complaint about spam and being interviewed by the media.
Both
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[..]
> RFC 2418, "IETF Working Group Guidelines and Procedures", states:
>
>Participation is by individual technical contributors, rather than by
>formal representatives of organizations.
>
> I take that to mean that IETF activities are separate from emp
As a long time journalist and practitioner in the
IT space, I have never had any difficulty obtaining information from an IETF
member provided that
1. I agree to the rules set down by the
respondent (i.e., no mention of company or anonymous quoting, if
necessary)
2. I agree to clear qu
Very simply, the press has no right (that I know of) to demand that
anyone respond to press reporters' questions, though I suppose
reporters have the right to publish the fact that people will not
talk to them. Yet, even this seems to me to be out of bounds in most
cases, unless it is an offi
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- Original Message -
From: "James K. Murray (AMSS Mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mike Haisley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Nicolai Schl
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*> >I write about IETF-related topics for a number of publications and websites.
*> >Most IETF participants are incredibly helpful and respon
As far as I can see, IETF participants are only bound by IETF rules
when they are participating in IETF activities.
Brian
On Wed, 30 May 2001 08:52:45 EDT, Scott Bradner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> would the Cisco rep's opinion count the same as the rep for Bill's
> Bits-to-Go apartment-building-wide ISP?
Hmm... Bill's Bits-to-Go's technical guy may actually be responsible for
more network connections than I am (es
Employers have the inherent option of forbidding any activities NOT related
to your "conditions of employment". Now, I am new to the IETF announcement
list, and it was my impression, which I now concede was the wrong
impression, that I would be informed via Email of any new Internet Drafts.
While
Pete,
Great points. However, information within the IETF is open to all entities.
Therefore, a person or corporation is bound by the by laws to allow their
information to be used towards the greater good of the InterNet and to that
end all standards / data or open to everyone!
JT
-Original
Pete:
Since, I think, you post this due to my deferment
to the cisco PR folks let me put a few words in my
defense...
1) I always try to be helpful with technical questions. You
can look at both the sigtran and tsvwg archives to see that
I try to respond both publicly and privately on tec
Scott Bradner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> would the Cisco rep's opinion count the same as the rep for Bill's
> Bits-to-Go apartment-building-wide ISP?
If said rep from BB2G had accumulated cred with other IETF
participants, *YES*.
In fact, I would have a great deal of respect for someone wh
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> RFC 2418, "IETF Working Group Guidelines and Procedures", states:
>
>Participation is by individual technical contributors, rather than by
>formal representatives of organizations.
>
> I take that to mean that IETF activities are separate from employment
> activities.
that's what it m
I believe the reason many companies have "interesting" rules here is
experience from the past - when a person speaking to the press would have
his words interpreted as being a spokesman for their company, either
revealing things that were intended to be hidden or promising things the
company d
Well...I'm sure Cisco, and Microsoft already have individuals on their staff
who's sole job is to interact with orginizations such as the ietf... But of
course this wasn't the original topic of this thread...the fact of if
employers can forbid you from talking about ietf activites...of course the
> > The alternative, IMO, is to have IETF participants who are
> employed by
> > industry companies such as Cisco and Microsoft viewed as official
> > representatives of their companies rather than as
> individual (and independent)
> > participants.
>
> would the Cisco rep's opinion count the s
Pete,
I can see this being a sticky point. As you point out it is the individual
who is "contributing" to the work of IETF. Having said that, the individual
is typically paid by "some" companywhich implies that the individual
is commited to this company (and whatever the work this company i
Hi,
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:20:26 -0400
>I write about IETF-related topics for a number of publications and websites.
>Most IETF participants are incredibly helpful and responsive when I ask them
>questions abo
> The alternative, IMO, is to have IETF participants who are employed by
> industry companies such as Cisco and Microsoft viewed as official
> representatives of their companies rather than as individual (and independent)
> participants.
would the Cisco rep's opinion count the same as the rep for
I write about IETF-related topics for a number of publications and websites.
Most IETF participants are incredibly helpful and responsive when I ask them
questions about the work they are doing, particularly authors of RFCs and I-Ds.
However, there are (infrequent) exceptions, usually employees
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