Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread Sandy Wills
James Seng wrote: > bad idea for engineers to play lawyers. "Engineer" means "someone who takes dreams and makes them real". "Lawyer" means "someone who takes nightmares and makes them real". I'd rather have an engineer play lawyer, than have a lawyer play engineer. -- : Unable to locate cof

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread Alexandre Dulaunoy
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Sandy Wills wrote: > James Seng wrote: > > > bad idea for engineers to play lawyers. > > "Engineer" means "someone who takes dreams and makes them real". > > "Lawyer" means "someone who takes nightmares and makes them real". > > I'd rather have an engineer play lawyer,

Re: Comments: [AVT] Last Call: RTP Payload for Comfort Noise to ProposedStandard

2002-04-30 Thread James_Renkel
Steve, et al, On 4/30/2002, at 12:52:03 AM, Stephan Casner wrote: >What the last sentence of the paragraph was trying to say is that if >there is a large change in the timestamp from one packet to the next, >but the sequence number only increments by one, then the receiver >know

RFC 3271 and Internet abuse

2002-04-30 Thread james woodyatt
friends-- As a statement of ideology, I generally like RFC 3271. However, I *do* have a criticism to contribute... (I know. I should have known about the draft and contributed my comments sooner.) Vinton Cerf writes in RFC 3271: > >Internet is for everyone - but it won't be if we are not

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread Keith Moore
> "" >Internet is for everyone - but it won't be if legislation around the >world creates a thicket of incompatible laws that hinder the growth >of electronic commerce, stymie the protection of intellectual >property, and stifle freedom of expression and the development of >mar

Re: RFC 3271 and Internet abuse

2002-04-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:49:46 PDT, james woodyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >with care and consideration. For those who choose to abuse these > >privileges, let us dedicate ourselves to developing the necessary > >tools to combat the abuse and punish the abuser. > > I'd like to see

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread vint cerf
well, keith since we cannot amend RFCs maybe you should prepare one of your own? I am not sure that the idea of killing intellectual property is the right one either. We all know there is something wrong with the current set up but I am no sure that the wholesale dispatch of Intellectual Property

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread Keith Moore
> well, keith since we cannot amend RFCs maybe you should prepare one of your own? maybe. > I am not sure that the idea of killing intellectual property is the right one either. > We all know there is something wrong with the current set up but I am no sure that > the wholesale dispatch of Intel

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread vint cerf
i think people should be free to create and share but that those who wish to claim rights should not be prevented from doing so. vint At 12:14 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, Keith Moore wrote: >however, there seems to be a strong and alarming tendency for global legal frameworks >on >IPR to discourage, ra

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread Keith Moore
> i think people should be free to create and share but that those who wish to claim > rights should not be prevented from doing so. sure - but which rights they should be able to claim, what remedies should be available when rights are violated, and what presumptions are made by the law until di

rfc 3271

2002-04-30 Thread Bill Cunningham
Yes keeping the government out of the internet is a tremendous task. We will continue to have governments until we no longer need them. That's my view. My personal chief concern right now is if they begin taxing products bought and sold over the net. This thing the FBI is rumored to have a carnivo

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread ggm
> i think people should be free to create and share but that those who wish to > claim rights should not be prevented from doing so. > > vint Claiming rights is different to be able to enforce rights. It would be useful if there was a document which helped clarify the limits to enforcement giv

Re: RFC3271 and independance of "cyberspace"

2002-04-30 Thread Einar Stefferud
Well, I am doing my part by exercising my rights to avoid buying any of the stuff that does not let me copy it, and I will not buy any computer stuff that is unable to copy stuff. And, so I agree that if the IPR folk want to be so damned proprietary, they can just sit at home with all their un

Re: rfc 3271

2002-04-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 01 May 2002 00:44:33 EDT, Bill Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > My personal chief concern right now is if they begin taxing products bought I'd be more worried about the *paperwork* involved than the actual tax... > and sold over the net. This thing the FBI is rumored to have a ca