RE: rfc1918 impact

2003-10-16 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dean Anderson wrote: > Reverse DNS is probably not going to be working or widely used in > IPV6, which has > an alternate ICMP host information query so that reverse DNS is not > necessary for the most useful purpose of reverse DNS: traceroute. I think you und

IETF mission boundaries (Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission )

2003-10-16 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Eric, --On 15. oktober 2003 12:57 -0400 Eric Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, let's test this assertion. Suppose a consortium of electric companies develops a UDP-based protocol for monitoring and controlling street lights. It turns out that this protocol generates an unbounded amount

Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission

2003-10-16 Thread mark seery
Harald. Interesting, important, thanks. Internet usage == One of the large dynamics not explicitly mentioned is the increased commercial usage/value of the Internet and how that drives the community in new directions. Trust model = Inherent in Eric's problem statement is th

Re: IETF mission boundaries (Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission )

2003-10-16 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Eric Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - "For the Internet" - only the stuff that is directly involved in making > > the Internet work is included in the IETF's scope. > > In other words, routing, DNS, and Internet operations/management. Adopting > this as the IETF's mission would be a

Re: IETF mission boundaries (Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission )

2003-10-16 Thread Eric Rosen
> That is wrong or at least a gross overstatement. If that's what you think, I invite you to make a list of all the IETF-standardized protocols and explain how they are all (or even more than 50% of them) needed to make the Internet work. > There have been many things that the IETF

Re: IETF mission boundaries (Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission )

2003-10-16 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Eric Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > That is wrong or at least a gross overstatement. > > If that's what you think, I invite you to make a list of all the > IETF-standardized protocols and explain how they are all (or even more than > 50% of them) needed to make the Internet wo

Re: IETF mission boundaries (Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission )

2003-10-16 Thread Bill Manning
% --On 15. oktober 2003 12:57 -0400 Eric Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: % % > Well, let's test this assertion. Suppose a consortium of electric % > companies develops a UDP-based protocol for monitoring and controlling % > street lights. It turns out that this protocol generates an unbounde

Re: IETF mission boundaries (Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission )

2003-10-16 Thread Eric Rosen
> - "For the Internet" - only the stuff that is directly involved in making > the Internet work is included in the IETF's scope. In other words, routing, DNS, and Internet operations/management. Adopting this as the IETF's mission would be a very radical change indeed! While this particu

Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission

2003-10-16 Thread Simon Woodside
On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 12:57 PM, Eric Rosen wrote: "The purpose of the IETF is to create high quality, relevant, and timely standards for the Internet." It is important that this is "For the Internet," and does not include everything that happens to use IP. IP is being used in a