Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread jfcm
At 00:49 29/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK.. change HQ computer to www.ANYTHINGBIG.com, and change enemy to random hacker in another country. There's boxes that *have* to be visible to the world because they provide service and connectivity to the outside world - and you can't even hand-wave

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread John C Klensin
Jefsey, You should also entertain the hypothesis that no one has commented on those issues/suggestions because they are have been discussed too many times before and are inconsistent with the visions that drive the Internet. Some of them have even been the subject of fairly careful evaluation

Re: national security

2003-11-29 Thread Paul Robinson
John C Klensin wrote: With regard to ICANN and its processes, I don't much like the way a good deal of that has turned out, even while I believe that things are gradually getting better. I lament the set of decisions that led to the US Govt deciding that it needed to be actively involved and to

Re: national security

2003-11-29 Thread vinton g. cerf
At 05:49 PM 11/29/2003 +, Paul Robinson wrote: John C Klensin wrote: With regard to ICANN and its processes, I don't much like the way a good deal of that has turned out, even while I believe that things are gradually getting better. I lament the set of decisions that led to the US Govt

Re: national security

2003-11-29 Thread Karl Auerbach
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Paul Robinson wrote: ... realistically there is only one option left for a single, cohesive Internet to remain whilst taking into account ALL the World's population: ICANN needs to become a UN body. If you look at what ICANN really and truly does you will see that it

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 03:15:04PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:06:26 +0100, Anthony G. Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 33 bits 8,589,934,592 times as many addresses. At current burn rates, it will take us some 20 years to go through the *current* free IPv4

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread shogunx
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Tim Chown wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 03:15:04PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:06:26 +0100, Anthony G. Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 33 bits 8,589,934,592 times as many addresses. At current burn rates, it will take us some

Re: national security

2003-11-29 Thread Karl Auerbach
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, vinton g. cerf wrote: I strongly object to your characterization of ICANN as abandoning the operation of roots and IP address allocation. These matters have been the subject of discussion for some time. I can't seem to recall during my 2 1/2 years on ICANN's board that

Re: national security

2003-11-29 Thread vinton g. cerf
At 03:39 PM 11/29/2003 -0800, Karl Auerbach wrote: On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, vinton g. cerf wrote: I strongly object to your characterization of ICANN as abandoning the operation of roots and IP address allocation. These matters have been the subject of discussion for some time. I can't seem to

Re: Re[3]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread jfcm
Dear John, thank you for your comment even if it does not discuss the internet national survival kit. I am afraid it continues a qui pro quo where we often say the same thing but from different points of view (not vision). Where you look from inside your technology, and me from a user's point

Re: national security

2003-11-29 Thread jfcm
Dear Vint, thank you for commenting on the Internet national survival kit issue this way (we are one week before the last Geneva prepcom, where ICANN is disputed in a way the survival kit may affect). Our common goal is to help consensus, not to increase tensions. At 19:54 29/11/03, vinton g.

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:17:41 GMT, Tim Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The at current burn rate assumption is far from safe though... Oh? Have any better-than-handwaving reasons to suspect the current allocation rate will change drastically? I don't forsee the cellphone or embedded markets taking

RE: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-29 Thread shogunx
Michel, The organization has 800 hosts, all behind NAT (they have PA space, NAT is there for renumbering ease), and there is only a small fraction of servers that have one-to-one NAT and therefore require a public IP per host. In your average 800 hosts network (if such a thing exists) it