Re: is there any other alt. hotel for IETF

2004-02-19 Thread Dave Crocker
James, JS> Is there any other hotel other then lotte which charge a reasonable rate? I'll be staying at: Best Western New Seoul Hotel #29-1, 1-Ga, Tyaepyeong-No, Jung-Gu Seoul, 100-101, Korea (South) Phone: 82 2 735 8800 Fax: 82 2 735 6927 I'm told it is nearby the ietf venue. The online comme

is there any other alt. hotel for IETF

2004-02-19 Thread James Seng
I know I shouldnt wait last minute to book but... Is there any other hotel other then lotte which charge a reasonable rate? -James Seng

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Ed Gerck
Vernon Schryver wrote: > > > From: Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If a complete stranger is the sender of an incoming message, then > > > crypto keys are irrelevant to determining the message is unsolicited > > > bulk. > > > > No. In PGP, for example, I accept a key based on who signed it

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If a complete stranger is the sender of an incoming message, then > > crypto keys are irrelevant to determining the message is unsolicited > > bulk. > > No. In PGP, for example, I accept a key based on who signed it and > when. If I can trust the signer(s

Re: How TO Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Doug Royer
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: If you reject the message during the SMTP session you don't need to generate a bounce message, the other side will do this. So the bandwidth waste is the same in both cases. Not only that, bulk spammers (hacked or not) keep it in their queue and not yours when it

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Ed Gerck
Vernon Schryver wrote: > > If a complete stranger is the sender of an incoming message, then > crypto keys are irrelevant to determining the message is unsolicited > bulk. No. In PGP, for example, I accept a key based on who signed it and when. If I can trust the signer(s), I may use a key fr

Re: How TO Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19-feb-04, at 14:47, Robert G. Brown wrote: I actually think that the spamassasin/procmail combination above is nearly ideal on the MUA side, It is not, because: 1. Bandwidth is used up by spam (which is fortunately usually not that big) and worms (which tend to be much bigger) Bouncing thes

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yes. However, if your mailbox could automatically handle confirmation > requests based on messages that were actually sent by you (in much > the same way that NAT boxes work -- you only get a reply to a request > you send), then you would not be bothered by

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Ed Gerck
Vernon Schryver wrote: > > If the envelope sender was forged as is common in spam, universal in > worms, and practically nonexistent in legitimate mail, then your bounce > will afflict third party's mailbox. My mailbox receives enough worm > bounces to make me say it is an awfully bad thing. Y

Re: How TO Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Dean Anderson
All quite sensible. What I do on my personal mailbox, is 1) refile all mailing lists and well-known corrspondents 2) Select all of the remaining mail not to dean@ and not from mail delivery and give it a once over for non-spam messages. These would be wildcards from certain domai

Re: 59th IETF - FINAL AGENDA

2004-02-19 Thread Lars Eggert
Hi, FYI, I've made an ical version of the agenda available at http://www.icalx.com/public/larse/IETF-59.ics. Apple iCal users can directly subscribe at webcal://www.icalx.com/public/larse/IETF-59.ics. I hear this may work with Mozilla as well, but I have no firsthand experience with that. (A

How TO Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > > I actually think that the spamassasin/procmail combination above is > > nearly ideal on the MUA side, > > It is not, because: > > 1. Bandwidth is used up by spam (which is fortunately usually not that > big) and worms (which tend to be much b

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19-feb-04, at 1:18, Robert G. Brown wrote: If a message comes in incorrectly addressed, yes, it will bounce. It should, shouldn't it? Yes, but only by ejecting the message immediately during the SMTP session. Accepting the message, then realize it can't be delivered and sending a bounce mess