Re: Naming crap (Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents)

2004-03-28 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 27-mrt-04, at 18:36, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: If we are to change the process that produces this stuff, we HAVE to understand what the reasons are that reasonable, competent people produce things that are sub-par, broken or crap. And IMHO, we can't do that without saying what these

RE: Naming crap (Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents)

2004-03-28 Thread Peter Ford
In the spirit of well, if highlighting a difference of opinion is the first step toward resolving it, then we're on our way.: Can we can ask Amazon to include RFCs in their product listings, and then let reviewers, consumers, proponents and objectors to use product rating mechanisms to help

RE: Naming crap (Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents)

2004-03-28 Thread Dassa
| -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On | Behalf Of Iljitsch van Beijnum | Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:38 PM | To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand | Cc: IETF Discussion | Subject: Re: Naming crap (Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents) | | On 27-mrt-04, at

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Re: Naming crap (Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents)

2004-03-28 Thread Spencer Dawkins
From: Dassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Iljitsch van Beijnum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Harald Tveit Alvestrand' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'IETF Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Naming crap (Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents) Personally and from observation

Re: Naming crap (Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents)

2004-03-28 Thread Donald Eastlake 3rd
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:38:13 +0200 From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: IETF Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... To me it seems that the IETF can't make up its mind: are RFCs just drafts that don't expire, or are they hugely

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-shore-nat-reachability-00.txt

2004-03-28 Thread Pekka Savola
This I-D does not even mention IPv6 -- any particular reason for not to? :-) Until now, it seems there have been at least 5-10 different NAT traversing/reversing techniques, designed for about every application requiring it. But doing NAT traversal to get IPv6 connectivity would have

Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents

2004-03-28 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 27. mars 2004 13:12 -0500 Scott Bradner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: The changed IESG review of RFC Editor documents does NOT change the IESG review for individual submissions to the standards track or individual submission sponsored by an AD. These get full IESG technical review, as