Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread Dave Crocker
John, JCK> Does that agree with your analysis, at least to a first order JCK> approximation? well (harumph!) i can't let the question stand without answering it... I trust the assessments you folks have been making about the document, and I have not seen counter-arguments that looked at a

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 17 August, 2004 17:38 -0700 Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > >>> Global parameters are useless if the parser is intelligent >>> enough to figure out the message structure independently. >>> Given that such intelligence is a prerequisite to having a >>> half-baked

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Moore
On Aug 17, 2004, at 8:38 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: If someone can summarize where this thread is going and/or should go, I'd appreciate it. my recommendation to the author - - do another edit on the draft, mostly for nits and clarity, and resubmit for Informational - don't try to specify the appli

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread Dave Crocker
John, >> Global parameters are useless if the parser is intelligent >> enough to figure out the message structure independently. >> Given that such intelligence is a prerequisite to having a >> half-baked parser, the global parameters are always >> unnecessary. JCK> This is a minor point compared

Re: [dnsop] draft DNSOP minutes (IETF 60)

2004-08-17 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, David Meyer wrote: > David Meyer:inaddr-required draft, very little activity. > > Rob Austein:This one's come up before. One issue is that some > people never get past draft filename. If you look at > the title it doesn't match that. We

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 8/17/2004 4:06 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > In that context, unless I completely misunderstand what is going > on here, the "...prerequisite to having a half-baked parser..." > assertion borders on the silly. Take the example to which Tony > has been pointing. Apparently the Solaris version

Re: YATS? Re: T-shirts, and some suggestions for future ietf meetings

2004-08-17 Thread Susan Harris
> You know how many times I go to conferences and end up just > leaving the bag or whatever the gift is in the hotel room? > Every single one. > > Though, I must say, the bag from Salt Lake City is the best > one I've ever been given and still use that. So unless > there is a really high quality b

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 17 August, 2004 15:09 -0400 "Eric A. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> To be clear about this, I think there are three choices which >> we might prefer in descending order: >> >> (1) There is a single canonical "wire" format in which >> these things are transmitted. > >

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 8/17/2004 2:09 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > To be clear about this, I think there are three choices which we > might prefer in descending order: > > (1) There is a single canonical "wire" format in which > these things are transmitted. Such a specification would surely dictate "a

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 17 August, 2004 13:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >... > So - where is the *one true canonical* definition of an mbox > that actually answers all these basic questions that an > implementer *needs* to know the answer to? Or, as an alternative, where is the set of required param

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:47:52 EDT, Tony Hansen said: > The claim in Appendix A is that there were no authoritative sources of > documentation for the mbox formats and otherwise it's "only documented > in anecdotal form". I'm sorry, but the the definitions ARE there, and > ARE almost always autho

Re: List of standards

2004-08-17 Thread Bob Braden
*> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 17 07:43:22 2004 *> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) *> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:29:57 +0200 *> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) *>

List of standards

2004-08-17 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
Why is the list of internet standards so hard to find? It seems to me this list deserves top ranking on the first page at www.ietf.org, but that's certainly not the case. (Try to find it and see what I mean.) ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] htt