RE: Scenario C or Scenario O ? - I say let us go for C !

2004-09-24 Thread Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB)
I can not say much more than that I fully agree with Scott and others who question the actual gain from going with scenario C. To me, O seems to be what we need today, and I can not see what additional benefits C would give, rather the opposite, as Scott has pointed out below. /Lars-Erik

Re: Scenario C or Scenario O ? - I say let us go for C !

2004-09-24 Thread Spencer Dawkins
From: Margaret Wasserman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Scenario C or Scenario O ? - I say let us go for C ! Hi Bert, Both you and Ted have posted preferences for Scenario C that, to me, seem

RE: Scenario O Re: Upcoming: further thoughts on where from here

2004-09-24 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 23, 2004 22:17:14 -0700 Tony Hain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the I-D Editor is a fundamental cornerstone in our document process, and therefore deserves to be explicit. Personally I don't have a problem with moving the function to better align with the RFC Editor's

Poll: Restructuring questions

2004-09-24 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
The discussion on IETF restructuring has had a few strong voices, some different opinions, and a lot of listeners. My talks with people have convinced me that many of those who have said nothing are indeed following the debate - some of them have opinions on what to do, some think that others

RE: Scenario C or Scenario O ?

2004-09-24 Thread graham . travers
Disclaimer: I haven't read all of the Scenario O and Scenario C proposals. ( Yes, I am sitting two rows away from my screen. ) On the subject of a new incorporated entity ( Scenario C ) versus an already incorporated entity ( Scenario O ), the arguments in my mind stack up thus: Scenario C:

Re: a note about the scenarios

2004-09-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:03:41AM +0300, John Loughney wrote: I've skimmed the recent documents and have come away feeling rather uninterested in the topic. As with most others, I asume, I'm more interested in technical work not aministrative or reorg work. I suspect this

Re: Poll: Restructuring questions

2004-09-24 Thread avri
On 24 sep 2004, at 11.20, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: So please - take a look, and tell us that you're listening. http://tools.ietf.org/poll/admin_scenario_alternatives/ I think the poll was a good idea, I hope lots of people take it. I know I had been reading and generally agreeing with

Re: Poll: Restructuring questions

2004-09-24 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Since you've gone through the trouble of creating a web page, it would be really nice to have links to all the relevant restructuring docs, existing procedures and so on. I was looking for just such a link to point my readers to so that they could join or follow these discussion, but I gave up and

Re: future meetings

2004-09-24 Thread Marcia Beaulieu
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Re: Poll: Restructuring questions

2004-09-24 Thread John C Klensin
Harald, When I try to invoke this URL, I get a very impressive display that says Python 2.3.4: /usr/bin/python Fri Sep 24 21:32:36 2004 A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to the error, in the

My views on the Scenario O C

2004-09-24 Thread Bob Hinden
My current view is that the housing the IETF administrative activity in ISOC (Scenario O) is the best of the two approaches. Note: I have no position in the ISOC nor am a current member (or maybe they do not have members these days). My employer is a corporate member. I was a member when the

Re: Poll: Restructuring questions

2004-09-24 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: [snip] There's a poll up at http://tools.ietf.org/poll/admin_scenario_alternatives/ that gives you a chance to say that you're listening - and IF you have an opinion on the current alternative scenarios, to state it. [snip] To those who have answered the poll, but

Re: a note about the scenarios

2004-09-24 Thread John C Klensin
John, and others, First, let me plead with all of you who would prefer to ignore this --and I certainly understand the feeling-- do technical work, and let others decide to _not_ do that. If implementation of these changes begins, and then fails, it is, IMO, unlikely that we will have a

RE: Scenario C or Scenario O ? - I say let us go for C !

2004-09-24 Thread scott bradner
Bert, well, I think we will just have to agree to disagree people have heard both of our opinions and should express their own on the list /or in Harald's survey tool Scott ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: My views on the Scenario O C

2004-09-24 Thread Sam Hartman
Bob == Bob Hinden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob The ISOC is certainly not perfect and has had serious Bob problems in the past. These problems have been solved and as Bob far as I can tell the ISOC is working well. I would note Bob that the ISOC was initially set up by

Re: a note about the scenarios

2004-09-24 Thread Fred Templin
John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose that, as a result, we end up with no meetings for six months or a year, no organized support for the IESG, and lots of us scrambling around to try to maintain mailing lists and archives on a volunteer basis. Would the IETF pull through? Maybe.

Protocol Action: 'RADIUS Attributes Sub-option for the DHCP Relay Agent Information Option' to Proposed Standard

2004-09-24 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'RADIUS Attributes Sub-option for the DHCP Relay Agent Information Option ' draft-ietf-dhc-agentopt-radius-08.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Dynamic Host Configuration Working Group. The IESG contact persons are