Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread Sam Hartman
scott == scott bradner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you understand the open source position and disagree with it, then there's probably little more to say. scott If the position is that the open source community can take scott an IETF consensus-based standard, modify it and

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread scott bradner
seems to be a reliable way to ensure that there are multiple understandings of what the standard actually is - I find it hard to understand who that is good for Scott --- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 10 16:01:46 2004 X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread Sam Hartman
scott == scott bradner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: scott seems to be a reliable way to ensure that there are scott multiple understandings of what the standard actually is - scott I find it hard to understand who that is good for Do you think that trying to describe a modified version

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
The open source community definitely wants to be able to guarantee to its users the ability to take text or code from an IETF standard and use that text or code in derivatives of that standard. Parts of the open source community want to be able to claim that that standard is the real unmodified

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread scott bradner
small quotes are fine (under fair use) but significant excerpts are not (under normal copyright law and under the copyright notices on IETF RFCs) Scott ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Sam == Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sam Some questions I'd suggest you consider: Sam * Have the IETF's current IPR practices actually limited any Sam company's ability to embrace and extend Internet standards? That's a biased question.

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread Simon Josefsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (scott bradner) writes: there seems to be an assertion of evil intent here that is not the case What gave you that idea? IMHO, let's leave intent for some other discussion, and focus on the license. After having read the discussion for the past few days, I still see no

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: However, this is not to say that having anyone who feels like it modify RFCs and republish them is a good idea. Treating natural language text as source code is a spectacularly bad idea. But then, anyone who has ever tried submitting changes to the collected works of

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread Simon Josefsson
Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: h. --On 7. oktober 2004 13:12 +0200 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, those rights are only granted to the ISOC and the IETF, not third parties. Solely for the purpose of using the term in RFC 3667, the

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-10 Thread scott bradner
Simon sez: For IDN, I want to be able to extract the tables from RFC 3454 and use them in my implementation. For Kerberos, I want to be able to use the ASN.1 schema in my implementation, and copy the terminology section into my manual. For SASL, I want to incorporate portions of the

Re: Shuffle those deck chairs!

2004-10-10 Thread Sam Hartman
Eric == Eric S Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eric You've had two direct warnings about this -- the ASF and Eric Debian open letters. They interpreted IETF's passivity on Eric the Sender-ID patent issue as damage and routed around it. Eric If the IETF doesn't get its act