Copy of Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring (fwd)

2004-10-28 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Someone made the comment that there may be people who (like me) read the IETF list more often than they read the IETF-announce list - here's a copy of the call for consensus, just to make sure you've all seen it... Harald -- Forwarded Message -- Date: tirsdag,

Re: Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring

2004-10-28 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Harald, I think the consensus you have asserted is indeed the rough consensus of those who have spoken up. I would make three observations: 1. We are attempting to change part of the IETF's social contract here. I'm glad to see the IAB and IESG showing leadership, but it is unusually important to

Re: Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring

2004-10-28 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Brian, thanks for your comments! --On torsdag, oktober 28, 2004 11:21:12 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harald, I think the consensus you have asserted is indeed the rough consensus of those who have spoken up. I would make three observations: 1. We are attempting to change

Why SIP??

2004-10-28 Thread Rajat
Hi all, Can Any one point out some advantages of SIP, that why we need SIP in application like Video Conferencing, which we can't get without it. Though some of them I think are, 1. To make a consensus between the the user of application/system, over the characteristic of media to be used in

Re: Copy of Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring (fwd)

2004-10-28 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 09:57 28/10/2004, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: Someone made the comment that there may be people who (like me) read the IETF list more often than they read the IETF-announce list - here's a copy of the call for consensus, just to make sure you've all seen it... Dear Harald, the work you

Re: Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring

2004-10-28 Thread scott bradner
For the documents that are to become RFCs, I most heartily agree. Keeping the community informed of what we are doing in detail is slightly different - this is not developing a document, it's keeping our notebook in a public place. I agree with Harald that keeping the notebook in a public

Re: Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring

2004-10-28 Thread John Loughney
I agree with Scott. John Original message Subject:Re: Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring Author: (scott bradner) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28th October 2004 9:41:17 AM For the documents that are to become RFCs, I most

Re: A new technique to anti spam

2004-10-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:52:26 +0800, =?gb2312?B?dGVzdA==?= said: 3.The authority database guarantee all \Email-content servers\ are related with legal ESPs. This is somewhere between highly unlikely and totally unworkable. Problems: 1) Who controls the authority database? Why should I trust

Re: Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring

2004-10-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:40:39 +0200, Harald Tveit Alvestrand said: I do sympathize somewhat with the people who just want someone to take care of this and choose not to comment in detail on the document - we have to make sure they know what's going on, but we cannot force anyone to actively

RE: A new technique to anti spam

2004-10-28 Thread Thomas Gal
I think this discussion shoulg probably move to the Anti Spam Research Group list No? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:14 PM To: test

Re: Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring

2004-10-28 Thread Leslie Daigle
Just to be clear: Brian E Carpenter wrote: 2. I would like to see us stick as closely as possible to the letter and spirit of RFC 2026, even if we don't have process rules that cover exactly what we are doing. Specifically, I'd like to see normal usage of the I-D mechanism for developing