Re: AdminRest: BCP and IASA IRTF support

2004-11-13 Thread scott bradner
Bert asked: It appears (to me) that IRTF RGs are meeting before and after IETF meetings increasingly more often. Is there additional cost to this? related question - do people need to register for the IETF meeting to attend the IRTF RG meetings? Scott

RE: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread ned . freed
In many situations around the world in developing countries, it is totally impossible to send a 10MB e-mail because the link will be at least break once in the time it takes to send 10MB. As e-mail does not resume... FWIW, RFC 1845 specifies such a mechanism for SMTP. There have been few

AdminRest: IASA BCP: Should IAB chair be a voting member of IAOC

2004-11-13 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Margarets draft-wasserman-iasa-bcp-01.txt states (bottom of page 7): There will also be two non-voting, ex officio liaisons: o The IAB Chair o The IETF Administrative Director [Note: There is some question about whether the IAB Chair should be a liaison or a full member

Re: AdminRest: IASA BCP: Should IAB chair be a voting member of IAOC

2004-11-13 Thread Erik Huizer
My sense is that an IAB chair is probably very well informed and will have very good insight into all the issues surrounding the IASA. Therefore it makes sense to give the IAB chair a vote. Erik --On zaterdag 13 november 2004 16:53 +0100 Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margarets

Re: AdminRest: IASA BCP: Should IAB chair be a voting member of IAOC

2004-11-13 Thread scott bradner
During the Plenary last wednesday there were suggestions/proposals to make IAB chair a voting member. I personally think that that makes sense. I agree that the idea makes sense but I think that most of the IAOC should mostly work by consensus - I expect that any issue that only garnered a

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread Simon Leinen
ned freed writes: In many situations around the world in developing countries, it is totally impossible to send a 10MB e-mail because the link will be at least break once in the time it takes to send 10MB. As e-mail does not resume... FWIW, RFC 1845 specifies such a mechanism for SMTP. There

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Franck == Franck Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Franck In many situations around the world in developing countries, Franck it is totally impossible to send a 10MB e-mail because the Franck link will be at least break once in the time it takes to

Re: AdminRest: BCP and IASA IRTF support

2004-11-13 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Harald == Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Harald If there is one support structure with responsibility for Harald both, it makes much more sense to pay for the rooms out of Harald the meeting budget (probably getting a better

IASA BCP - IESG and IAB appointed members

2004-11-13 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- If the IAB chair and IETF chair (who is also the IESG chair) are both members IASA (whether voting or not), I am wondering about the people appointed by the IESG and IAB. Why do it this way? Why not just have nomcom fill all slots? Section 3 could explain

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread Franck Martin
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 18:11 +0100, Simon Leinen wrote: There are still many countries which only connection to the Internet is a 64kb/s and quite a lot which speed is below 512kb/s Developed countries and the IETF need to cater for these emerging nations to avoid the digital divide.

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-13 Thread Franck Martin
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 11:00 -0500, Michael Richardson wrote: Franck I think as yahoo being a major e-mail provider it would be Franck good, that they become more responsible (they are actively Franck fighting SPAM) and use ESMTP when sending their e-mails. It Franck seems

Re: AdminRest: IASA BCP: Should IAB chair be a voting member of IAOC

2004-11-13 Thread Sam Hartman
Erik == Erik Huizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik My sense is that an IAB chair is probably very well informed Erik and will have very good insight into all the issues Erik surrounding the IASA. Therefore it makes sense to give the Erik IAB chair a vote. The reason it would not

Re: AdminRest: IASA BCP: Should IAB chair be a voting member of IAOC

2004-11-13 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
I too think the IAB Chair should vote. But that raises an issue... While I agree that consensus should be the normal operation mode, I think this body can't live with let's wait until later and hope we know more then as the normal means of resolving close-call conflicts. The budget proposals

Re: IASA BCP - IESG and IAB appointed members

2004-11-13 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 13. november 2004 16:31 -0500 Michael Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the IAB chair and IETF chair (who is also the IESG chair) are both members IASA (whether voting or not), I am wondering about the people appointed by the IESG and IAB. Why do it this way? Why not just have nomcom