Re: Consensus? Separate bank account

2004-12-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Me too Brian Scott Bradner wrote: I can go with what Harald suggests: Scott Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:11:21 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Consensus? Separate bank account After all this threading, it seems clear that it would be bad

Place to catch up (Re: iasa-bcp-01 - Internet standard governance description)

2004-12-09 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
At the moment, the best "overall" site is http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/adminrest/ - the timeline has pointers to most of the important documents, I think. Harald --On onsdag, desember 08, 2004 14:02:16 -0800 "Randy.Dunlap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote

Re: Transparency/Openness of the IAOC

2004-12-09 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On onsdag, desember 08, 2004 11:44:01 -0500 Margaret Wasserman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I think that the IAOC should post all correspondence, and I don't think that this is an onerous requirement. It is not likely that there will be all that much non-electronic communication, such

Re: Consensus? Separate bank account

2004-12-09 Thread Fred Baker
At 07:53 AM 12/09/04 +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: Do we need to make a global pass of s/account/accounts/? I think so. ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

RE: Consensus? Separate bank account

2004-12-09 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Since I have seen quite a few agreement postings to below posting of Harald, I have made the change as suggested by Harald (in my working copy that is). Bert > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Harald Tveit Alvestrand > Sent: Wednesday, Dec

RE: Consensus? Separate bank account

2004-12-09 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> > At 07:53 AM 12/09/04 +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > >Do we need to make a global pass of s/account/accounts/? > > I think so. > Done in my working copy Bert ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Transparency/Openness of the IAOC

2004-12-09 Thread John Loughney
Brian's response seems reasonable to me. John --- Original message --- Subject: Re: Transparency/Openness of the IAOC From: "Brian E Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Time: 12/08/2004 3:53 pm Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > Hi All, > > In reviewing the IASA BCP draft

BCP-02: Financial statements and Audits

2004-12-09 Thread Bernard Aboba
Section 5.1 "For bookkeeping purposes, funds managed by IASA should be accounted for in a separate set of accounts which can be rolled-up periodically to the equivalent of a balance sheet and a profit and loss statement for IASA alone after taking into account the effect of common items paid for o

BCP-02: Allocation of Other ISOC Support Upon Separation

2004-12-09 Thread Bernard Aboba
Section 5.4 " Other ISOC support shall be based on the budget process as specified in Section 6IASA Budget Process. ISOC shall credit the appropriate IASA accounts at least quarterly. If ISOC pays any other IETF expenses directly, without transferring funds to the IASA, this shall be documented a

BCP-02: Requirements for Outsourced Activities

2004-12-09 Thread Bernard Aboba
Section 3 "The IAOC is accountable for the structure of the IASA and thus decides which functions are to be outsourced. All outsourcing must be via well-defined contracts or equivalent instruments. If any functions are performed in-house, they must be clearly specified and documented with well-def

BCP-02: IAD Job Description

2004-12-09 Thread Bernard Aboba
Section 3.1 As has been stated by others, I think we want the IAOC to be able to rewrite the IAD's job description if and when circumstances warrant it. So I think we need to be clear about what are essential IAD duties prescribed by this document (which require another BCP to change) and what el

Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-09 Thread Michael StJohns
The IASA, AdminRest et al discussions appear to be proceeding well, but perhaps it might make sense to craft a mailing list specifically for those discussions ? Its possible the recent (last 2 week) upswing in the number of related posts to the ietf mailing list will die down shortly, but my g

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-09 Thread Lixia Zhang
On Dec 9, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Michael StJohns wrote: The IASA, AdminRest et al discussions appear to be proceeding well, but perhaps it might make sense to craft a mailing list specifically for those discussions ? I would like to second this suggestion. Its possible the recent (last 2 week) upswi

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:41:24 EST, Michael StJohns said: > The IASA, AdminRest et al discussions appear to be proceeding well, but > perhaps it might make sense to craft a mailing list specifically for those > discussions ? On the one hand, part of me says "Amen, this stuff makes my brain hurt".

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-09 Thread Leslie Daigle
Well, the choice to put this on the ietf-discuss list was deliberate: including making sure that a reasonable cross section of the IETF would see the discussion. It's not at all clear that such a cross section would bother to subscribe to a new mailing list (and a new mailing list often just attra

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-09 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
If I had confidence that the people discussing this in small groups were certain to distinguish between "direction" issues (should be discussed on the IETF list, because it affects too many people) and "wording" issues (may be discussed in a smaller group, because not that many people care), I

Re: Transparency/Openness of the IAOC

2004-12-09 Thread John Morris
FWIW, it seems likely that at least some commercial contracts (for hotels, etc.) will get negotiated on paper or by fax, and so an "all paper correspondence" approach could be problematic. Certainly as an attorney there have been times that I have chosen to negotiate only in hardcopy (making i