bcp-02: Section 3.4

2004-12-10 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm not very comfortable with the appeal text in section 3.4. There isn't a way to overturn decisions and there is no way to appeal decisions because the wrong decision was made. I understand why the current text is there. I understand there are significant concerns about having either of

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-10 Thread Leif Johansson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leslie Daigle wrote: | | Well, the choice to put this on the ietf-discuss list was deliberate: | including making sure that a reasonable cross section of the IETF | would see the discussion. It's not at all clear that such a cross | section would

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-10 Thread Joe Touch
Leif Johansson wrote: Leslie Daigle wrote: | | Well, the choice to put this on the ietf-discuss list was deliberate: | including making sure that a reasonable cross section of the IETF | would see the discussion. It's not at all clear that such a cross | section would bother to subscribe to a

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-10 Thread Charlie P
Hello Joe, I'm not the IETF, and I'm not telling anyone what to do, but I _hope_ the discussion remains on the IETF list. Regards, Charlie P. Joe Touch wrote: It's unfortunate we don't respect the wishes of the IETF, rather than telling them what's good for them. IMO, the IETF _is_ the

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-10 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Thu December 9 2004 12:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP Date: 2004-12-08 17:56 From: The IESG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IETF-Announce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IESG has been considering - 'Tags for

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-10 Thread Michael StJohns
You're missing the point. The topic is important enough to have its own list, to make sure it stands out from the rash of 2-3 day hot topics that tend to clutter the list. As it stands I can't filter this traffic (which I'm tracking) from the run of the mill IETF traffic which I more times

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:46:52 EST, Bruce Lilly said: Accessibility has not been a problem for this implementor (who, incidentally, was unaware of this draft until the New Last Call). ISO 639 language code lists are readily available in HTML-ized English and French via

RE: iasa-bcp-01 - Open Issues - Separate bank accounts

2004-12-10 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 08 December, 2004 14:21 +0100 Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 8. desember 2004 14:00 +0100 Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Once funds or in-kind donations have been credited to the IETF accounts, they shall be

Procedural question on iasa-bcp-02 Last Call (was: Re: Consensus? Separate bank account)

2004-12-10 Thread John C Klensin
Harald, This is purely a procedural question, but my interpretation of the note below and the general support your suggestion has gotten is that the document that is actually being last-called is not draft-ietf-iasa-bcp-02.txt, as identified in the Last Call posted yesterday afternoon, but a

Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 24, Issue 5

2004-12-10 Thread Bruce Lilly
RE: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP Date: 2004-12-10 16:37 From: Peter Constable [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Lilly's message makes several inaccurate statements against the proposed draft, and misrepresents some of the changes being made. My

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-10 Thread Bruce Lilly
RE: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP Date: 2004-12-10 20:03 From: Peter Constable [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resuming my comments: Specifically, the draft allows, and RFC 3066 disallows: subtags more than 8 octets in

Re: Copying conditions

2004-12-10 Thread Sam Hartman
Simon == Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] (scott bradner) writes: For IDN, I want to be able to extract the tables from RFC 3454 and use them in my implementation. For Kerberos, I want to be able to use the ASN.1 schema in my

RE: Consensus? Separate bank account

2004-12-10 Thread John C Klensin
Bert, I'm trying to catch up on all of this after nearly two weeks in which it was impossible to track these various threads. Now it is merely a hard untangling process. If you are going to use words equivalent to irrevocable, in either this context, the ISOC payment one noted by Bernard, or

LEMONADE interim meeting request

2004-12-10 Thread Glenn Parsons
Lemonade 61.5 Interim Meeting Location Oracle, Redwood Shores, CA. 250 Oracle Pkwy Redwood City, CA 94065-1668 Date January 19-20, 2005 Start on 1pm Wednesday Likely finish by noon on Thursday. Agenda (Draft) == - media conversion - CHANNEL - quick reconnect - LEMONADE

RFC 3944 on H.350 Directory Services

2004-12-10 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 3944 Title: H.350 Directory Services Author(s): T. Johnson, S. Okubo, S. Campos Status: Informational Date: December 2004 Mailbox:[EMAIL PROTECTED],