--On tirsdag, januar 11, 2005 20:01:37 -0500 Bruce Lilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
In recent discussion of a proposed replacement of a BCP RFC,
a couple of problems have reappeared:
1. There seems to be a fairly wide misunderstanding of what
BCP RFCs are supposed to cover. Part of the probl
At the moment, there are 19 open tickets in the issue tracker. Some of
these are overlapping.
Of these, I think only issue #740 has been raised by people who speak for
ISOC; I am not sure whether it means that ISOC is otherwise OK with the
text or that ISOC has not sent comments yet.
Lynn Duva
Section 3 of draft-ietf-iasa-bcp-03 says, in part:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be outsourced.
The IAD is responsible for negotiating and maintaining such
contracts, as well as providing any coordination necessary to make
sure the IETF administrative support functions
The following text was added to -03 as a result of this ticket:
All IAOC decisions shall be minuted, and IAOC minutes shall be
published regularly.
Sam Hartman said:
I was complaining about style, not grammar. I'd argue that the verb
form of minute has low familiarity compared to the plural nou
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Harald,
This sounds reasonable to me. How long do you are you planning to give us to review the updated draft? I've put off doing a thorough review of the draft (mostly just lurking on the discussions here) as it has been difficult to keep up with chang
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
Scott Bradner supported the idea:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
"in-house" should be explicitly justified by the IAOC
an
On reviewing the discussion, I find two things worthy of note:
- IASA financial reporting should include a balance sheet and a Profit/Loss
statement
- If IAOC is not happy with the transparency of ISOC's accounting/audit, it
should be able to do something about it.
Also from the discussion:
- Th
Bernard Aboba said, and it seems nobody commented:
Section 5.4
" Other ISOC support shall be based on the budget process as specified in
Section 6IASA Budget Process. ISOC shall credit the appropriate IASA
accounts at least quarterly.
If ISOC pays any other IETF expenses directly, without transferr
Good plan!
Bert
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> Subject: Timeline for further work on IASA BCP
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>
> At the moment, there are 19 open tickets in t
Dear Bruce,
I changed the subject as the referred case only shown different network
architecture confusions. Positively addressing this confusions will help
more the solution of the case at hand than anything else.
On 01:42 12/01/2005, Bruce Lilly said:
The language-tag reviewer has also recentl
At 09:10 12/01/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
actually the BCP label has multiple, largely disjunct areas of coverage.
I once (many years back) suggested splitting the categories into
Recommended Internet Practices and Directives for Oversight and
Administration, but the acronyms didn't sur
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This seems reasonable to me.
John L.
> John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and > Scott Bradner supported the idea:> > In principle, IETF administrative functions should be> outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functi
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I think your text is reasonable.
John L.
--- Original message ---
Subject: Other change needed? #722 - 5.4 - ISOC off-account payment for
expenses
From: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Time: 01/12/
On 1/12/2005 04:51, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
"in-house" should be explicitly justified by the IAOC
and restricted to the minimum staff required, with these
decisions and staffin
--On onsdag, januar 12, 2005 07:29:27 -0500 Scott W Brim
wrote:
On 1/12/2005 04:51, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
"in-house" should be explicitly justified by the IAOC
and restri
The section on donations in version -03 says (skipping the editors' notes):
5.3 Designated Donations, Monetary and In-Kind
Donations are an essential component of funding. The IASA undertakes
no direct fund-raising activities. This establishes a practice of
separating IETF administrative a
On 1/12/2005 07:44, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
--On onsdag, januar 12, 2005 07:29:27 -0500 Scott W Brim
wrote:
On 1/12/2005 04:51, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
"in
harald asks
> We have to adjust the second sentence (referring to "such contracts" would
> become ambiguous), so the total paragraph becomes:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
"in-house" should be explicitly justifie
haralald's Suggested revision:
All IAOC decisions shall be recorded in IAOC minutes, and IAOC
minutes shall be published regularly.
looks fine to me
Scott
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I thought that was implied by "required".. if we don't like
"required", I think we should drop the subsentence, leaving us with:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
"in-house" should be explicitly justified by the IAOC,
wit
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
On reviewing the discussion, I find two things worthy of note:
- IASA financial reporting should include a balance sheet and a
Profit/Loss statement
- If IAOC is not happy with the transparency of ISOC's accounting/audit,
it should be able to do something about it.
Me too
Brian
John Loughney wrote:
This seems reasonable to me.
John L.
John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
Scott Bradner supported the idea:
In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
"in-house" s
Agreed. Having originated the "footnote" sentence, I'm quite
happy with your replacement. I will be looking for the
footnotes, of course ;-)
Brian
John Loughney wrote:
I think your text is reasonable.
John L.
--- Original message ---
Subject: Other change needed?
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"Minimum staff required" seems uncomfortably worded to me. I am not sure we need to go into this detail, for the reason Scott listed. If we do need to have this leel of detail, could we say 'sufficient staff' or something along those lines?
John L
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Bruce Lilly wrote:
[lines re-wrapped and annotated with authors' initials]
> mw> My understanding of the purpose of the IETF/W3C Liaison group
> mw> is, precisely, liaison over issues of importance to both the
> mw> IETF and the W3C.
bl> Since the draft-philips-... effort isn't an IETF effort,
At 14:37 12/01/2005, Misha Wolf wrote:
A first step could be to compare
the two standards bodies'
requirements for language tagging, to establish whether they are
compatible. Further steps could follow, depending on the
outcome.
Note that while HTTP, for example, is an IETF standard, the Web
I like this resolution. I think the "review against a zero base
assumption" captures the essential goal, and the minimum staff was a weak
restatement.
Yours,
Joel
At 07:44 AM 1/12/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
--On onsdag, januar 12, 2005 07:29:27 -0500 Scott W Brim
wrote:
On 1/12/20
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John Klensin suggested the following text for the first sentence, and
> Scott Bradner supported the idea:
>
> In principle, IETF administrative functions should be
> outsourced. Decisions to perform specific functions
> "in-house" should be expl
In the -03 version of the document, the following text occurs:
3.4 IAOC Decision Making
The IAOC attempts to reach all decisions unanimously. If unanimity
cannot be achieved, the IAOC chair may conduct informal polls to
determine the consensus of the group. In cases where it is
necessary
I think the following relations hold:
- Three of the "financial" tickets are covered by the text changes proposed
in #778 (the "Finances" message I sent a few days ago). They are:
- #740: Reserves
- #748: Quarterly deposits
- #772: term "Accruied funds"
In addition:
- #770 (Compensation for IAOC
Harald, et al,
It looks like the BCP process is moving along nicely. Meanwhile, within
ISOC, we're studying the draft and focusing on how best to provide the
right procedures and support for the IETF. Some ISOC folks have
offered up suggestions already. We will try to provide a more
compreh
Harald,
My personal, generic, preference is to put as little specific
text into the BCP as possible. Broad principles, yes. But
anything very specific, especially anything that is likely to
need tuning, should be in the BCP only if there are really
strong reasons why that is necessary. So I'd b
Brian, John, Avri and Spencer: Can you state if you have an opinion
about whether or not the quorum rules should be in the document or
not?
Let's get this point settled before we dig into what the quorum
rules should be - if they don't go into the BCP, the whole text of
#746 gets passed as "ad
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