Re: Site selection [Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless]

On Mar 16 2005, at 19:33 Uhr, Dave Crocker wrote: Cheap and easy travel and lodging, for diverse participation I wouldn't want to completely rule out the US that quickly... Gruesse, Carsten (who has had to stand in for a colleague with a Sri Lanka passport on 2 out of 3 IETFs recently) __

Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:36, Dave Crocker wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:12:59 -0500, Marshall Eubanks wrote:  >  how much would it cost us to have our own equipment?  >   Shouldn't the question of _which_ equipment to buy come first ? That will   pretty much   determine the price. indeed. my questi

RE: reflections .., wireless - equipment opinions

--On March 16, 2005 01:43:26 PM -0500 Steve Silverman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is the opinion of the volunteer teams on equipment? One options would be to try to get a preferred vendor to supply some equipment in return for being able to claim that their equipment is used by the IETF. I th

Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

At 11:12 AM -0500 3/16/05, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > how much would it cost us to have our own equipment? Shouldn't the question of _which_ equipment to buy come first ? That will pretty much determine the price. I know that the volunteer teams have some strong opinions on this, as I have heard

RE: reflections .., wireless - equipment opinions

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Marshall > Eubanks > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:13 AM > To: Dave Crocker; Henk Uijterwaal; Dennis Fazio; ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless > > What is

Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:12:59 -0500, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >  how much would it cost us to have our own equipment? > > >  Shouldn't the question of _which_ equipment to buy come first ? That will >  pretty much >  determine the price. indeed. my question about cost was meant as the 'bottom lin

Re: Site selection [Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless]

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:39:54 +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >  But what can, and IMHO > >  should be, open is the set of technical and logistical criteria >  involved in site selection. What are the primary goals, in defining those criteria? That is, what do we want to have, once we have satisf

Re:reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Dennis Fazio wrote: 2 Juniper M10 routers with GigE and fiber ports 20 or so Cisco 3750 switch/routers with GigE and fiber ports 35 802.11 a/b/g access points with system management boxes 4 or 5 servers for DHCP, DNS, Radius, print queue, RFC cache, etc. I think it has seemed p

Re: Site selection [Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62

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Re:reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

--On March 16, 2005 07:30:07 AM -0800 Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] that leaves equipment. how much would it cost us to have our own equipment? For those who would like to compute estimates, we used: 2 Juniper M10 routers with GigE and fiber ports 20 or so Cisco 3750 switch/routers

Re: Site selection [Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62

> > In my opinion we need a 200% open process to qualify if a sponsor and > > venue are acceptable or not. I'm sure Brian will heard us on this ;-) > > Since site selection involves contract negotiations, I doubt if the > actual process can ever be even 100% open. i think that transparency serves

Re: Site selection [Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless]

Hi Brian, That's a challenge I guess ! It happens to me when talking too much ;-) I can work on this, possibly could have something for a first draft by 10th of April, but as you said, it will be nice if there is at least one more co-author. Otherwise for sure Madrid will be a requirement and LAT

Site selection [Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless]

Jordi, In my opinion we need a 200% open process to qualify if a sponsor and venue are acceptable or not. I'm sure Brian will heard us on this ;-) Since site selection involves contract negotiations, I doubt if the actual process can ever be even 100% open. But what can, and IMHO should be, open is

Re: What? No PPT or wireless? [Re: IETF63 wireless]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:44:41 -0800, Aaron Falk wrote: >  I've seen a tendency for wgchairs to >  make agendas = list of drafts in development.  A better practice would >  be to start the hard questions that need to be discussed (to take >  advantage of the face time) and back into background readi

Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:30:07 -0800 Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:55:47 +0100, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > > So, if we really want this production level network, we should pay people > > > > to do the work, and add the costs to the meeting fees. If not, we should

Re:reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:55:47 +0100, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: >  So, if we really want this production level network, we should pay people > >  to do the work, and add the costs to the meeting fees.  If not, we should >  accept that the volunteers are doing their best but that we will not have >  a p

Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

I did have a problem Friday morning before the session start. I got an IP address, but couldn't even ping the router. The person next to me was fine. Reboot and release/renew didn't help. I finally walked to a different place to force a roam, and everything worked fine. One data point. On Tu

Re: reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

Hi Dennis, I guess is a big combination of issues, but not having a sponsor is not exactly correct. I know several people tried to sponsor IETF, and have been waiting for long time. I'm biased here, obviously, but I offered myself for Madrid since summer 2001. Only after the Vienna one, they visi

Re:reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

Well, let's see: The problem: We want a network that is available from Sunday morning until Friday afternoon, with no interruptions, supports 1500 users in parallel using RF technology, supports the all latest protocols and services, with a help desk available to solve problems for the most biza

Re:reflections from the trenches of ietf62 wireless

--On March 15, 2005 09:46:49 PM +0100 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] If the meetings are planned much more ahead, there will be more resources, and even probably will not need for volunteers, because will be possible to find a host. I'll also have to dispute that a lack of