Re: IANA Considerations

2005-06-22 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ned" == Ned Freed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Dave, >Here's my own take: >> > >> >It is empty bureaucracy. It is form, without content. It is >> additional >effort, with no benefit. >> > >> >It is reasonable and necessary to require that documents >> contain

Re: Last Call: 'Email Submission Between Independent Networks' to BCP - Clarification

2005-06-22 Thread Doug Royer
I have not been following this topic closely. To the point of open relays being a problem. I think that the judgment as to if open replays are a problem or not depends on which spam lists you are on. With my system and by grep-ing through my last 4 weeks of logs there were 22,870 of 26,157 spam

Re: Last Call: 'Email Submission Between Independent Networks' to BCP - Clarification

2005-06-22 Thread Dean Anderson
There are several issues for the IESG: In summary, people have brought up several reasons that this draft shouldn't be approved. But I think these are sufficient: 1) End run around SMTP developers, as Keith Moore pointed out. 2) "spamops" past unreasonable and irrational demands and views requ

Re: Last Call: 'Email Submission Between Independent Networks' to BCP - Clarification

2005-06-22 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Nicholas Staff wrote: > Dean, > > I couldn't agree with you more - thanks for saying it. You're welcome. > whats funny to me is if anything would have given spammers a reason to > exploit open relays it would have been the blacklists. No, this isn't the case, and ironica

Re: what is a wg chair's job was: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-22 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 12:58 22/06/2005, Tom Petch wrote: For me, this list of items misses the point of having a chair, which IMO is to focus the discussion, the work, on the tasks in hand, so that they get done in a timely fashion. A chair should start from the Charter and make sure it is well and consensuall

Re: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-22 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 21. juni 2005 12:16 -0400 John Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: if a WG chair has posted nothing to the WG mailing list for a week, and that WG chair has not told the WG he's on holiday, that WG chair is probably not doing his/her job. Much though I remain a staunch fan of Harald, I

Re: Last Call: 'Email Submission Between Independent Networks' to BCP - Clarification

2005-06-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Everybody, Most of the mail under this subject field is of little help to the IESG in judging whether the draft in question is ready to become a BCP. Please ask yourself "Does my message address specific issues in the draft?" before hitting the send button. Thanks - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Re: what is a wg chair's job was: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-22 Thread Tom Petch
- Original Message - From: "John Loughney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: what is a wg chair's job was: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management > Harald, > > Your mail prompted me to write a mail I have be