Re: "The IETF has difficulty solving complex problems" or alternatively Why IMS is a big fat ugly incomprehensiable protocol

2005-09-17 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15-sep-2005, at 9:57, Pekka Nikander wrote: So, as I state in my little web page, I think we really should work hard to create a new waist for the architecture. I, of course, have my own theory where the new waist should be and how it should be implemented, Well, don't be shy: where

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-blanchet-v6ops-routing-guidelines-00.txt

2005-09-17 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 16-sep-2005, at 23:55, Bill Manning wrote:i am convinced that the IETF has no business telling me what routes i may or may not accept from or send to my peers, with the exception of prefixes of undefined BEHAVIOUR, much like the IPv4 class "E" space.  That said,  if these are Guidelines, as the

Re: IETF Process Evolution

2005-09-17 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
I understand the concerns you express. What surprises me with the IETF is the lack of methodology (at least for a French brain). This seems to fit the model since it works: it then should be preserved, at least in part. This may also be one of the systemic root of the problem. Brian introduces

Re: IETF Process Evolution

2005-09-17 Thread Ted Hardie
Thanks to John for his long and considered note. Two short responses inline before I have to sign off for the weekend: At 12:36 AM -0400 9/17/05, John C Klensin wrote: >Ted, > >I finding myself agreeing with you in many ways, but probably >for different reasons. I'm trying to better formulate t

Re: IETF Process Evolution

2005-09-17 Thread Pekka Savola
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, IETF Chair wrote: This note describes a method of starting the next phase of IETF IETF process change, possibly including updating the change process itself. FWIW, I think this approach makes sense. In all process WGs (or BOFs) I have participated (ipr, newtrk, icar, mpow

Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infrastucture (RAI) Area

2005-09-17 Thread Pekka Savola
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, IETF Chair wrote: The RAI Area is seeded with existing working groups from the Transport and Applications Area: SIP, SIPPING, XCON, SIMPLE, GEOPRIV, ECRIT, ENUM, IPTEL, MEGACO, MMUSIC, IEPREP, SPEECHSC, and SIGTRAN. A good rule of thumb for the incorporation of new work into