Re: Oops

2005-10-31 Thread Frank Ellermann
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > I'm told that my recollection is faulty It's not, that breach of RfC 2418 chapter 4 caused two of the three pending appeals. Bye, Frank ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/l

Re: from the horse's mouth

2005-10-31 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 19:50 31/10/2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote: But what doesn't help us get on with our work here is discursive decision of vaguely defined societal or cultural implications. That's what I was getting at. Dear Brian, full agreement. Describing this way the key societal matters at hand certainl

Oops Re: WG Action: Conclusion of Credential and Provisioning (enroll)

2005-10-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Sam Hartman wrote: ... A ticket requesting closure of a working group includes a few things: 1) the working group being closed. High dissatisfaction has resulted in the past when the wrong working group is closed. 2) Additional comments to be included in the WG c

Re: from the horse's mouth

2005-10-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
[typo corrected to restore meaning] Steve (and Ned), Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian E Carpenter writes: Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian E Carpenter writes: Eduardo Mendez wrote: What IETF discuss may hurt thir people, p

Re: WG Action: Conclusion of Credential and Provisioning (enroll)

2005-10-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Sam Hartman wrote: ... A ticket requesting closure of a working group includes a few things: 1) the working group being closed. High dissatisfaction has resulted in the past when the wrong working group is closed. 2) Additional comments to be included in the WG closure message. 3) Whethe

Re: from the horse's mouth

2005-10-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Steve (and Ned), Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian E Carpenter writes: Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian E Carpenter writes: Eduardo Mendez wrote: What IETF discuss may hurt thir people, peace, culture. But I am sure IETF Mem

Re: from the horse's mouth

2005-10-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Alper Yegin wrote: - is the IETF community interested in discussions about the social implications of the technology we develop I think this is very interesting. - is the IETF general list the right place for those discussions. Is it too late to arrange a BoF meeting at IETF 64? Yes, s

Re: from the horse's mouth

2005-10-31 Thread Eduardo Mendez
Mr. Chair, 2005/10/29, Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Eduardo Mendez wrote: > > I understand why IETF fears local governments for their meetings. > > I simply do not understand this statement. The IETF has no > concerns about governments, and we often have people in government > service

RE: from the horse's mouth

2005-10-31 Thread Gray, Eric
Avri, Interestingly enough, assuming there was such a separate list - say with ISOC - how would anyone be able to know that it exists and is the appropriate place to post such comments? Also, how would the average IETF WG participant know to look through the archives for such a list if the

Proposed swap: pesci and ipr

2005-10-31 Thread Sam Hartman
--- Begin Message --- Hi. As people may be aware there is a pesci bof discussing principles and next steps for process change. It is currently scheduled Wednesday before the plenary but conclusions of the BOF are to be presented in the plenary. That's not much time. I'm proposing a late swap of