Re: Unannounced list status changes considered harmful

2006-04-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Sam Hartman wrote: "Frank" == Frank Ellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Frank> Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Please provide more data (off-list) as this seems odd. Frank> Will do (ordinary moderation bounce), but on list I should Frank> fix the bogus URLs I've posted here (I fo

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Keith Moore >>> Number portability, after all, only requires a layer of indirection. >>> We can certainly engineer that! >> And we have. It's called the DNS. > no it's not. DNS sucks for that. it's too slow, too likely to be out > of sync. DNS names are the wrong

RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Terry Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Would you agree with the thesis that *without* pervasive PI, the future > of NAT (or some other mechanism for providing address autonomy to > organizations) is absolutely guaranteed forever (even with v6)? The use of NAT to provide local ad

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Keith Moore
Original Message > From: Keith Moore >>> Number portability, after all, only requires a layer of indirection. >>> We can certainly engineer that! >> And we have. It's called the DNS. > no it's not. DNS sucks for that. it's too slow, too likely to be ou

Re: Unannounced list status changes considered harmful

2006-04-18 Thread Harald Alvestrand
I don't know of a status change to IMA in this time interval. Frank Ellermann wrote: Henrik Levkowetz wrote: Please provide more data (off-list) as this seems odd. Will do (ordinary moderation bounce), but on list I should fix the bogus URLs I've posted here (I forgot one "gmane", s

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18-apr-2006, at 13:50, Noel Chiappa wrote: Now we hear that anything like 8+8 is infeasiable because it's incompatible with the installed base (all 17 of them). 18 if the IETF would finally start eating its own dog food... Let me observe once again that 8+8/GSE is incomplete because it

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Eliot Lear
Keith, > sort of. MPLS with globally-scoped tags, and a database of > [course] (think subnet sized) identifer to locator mappings that is > distributed via BGP. border routers look at the destination host > identifier, find the set of locators that correspond to it, and pick > the best locator

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Keith Moore
> It smells remarkably like pathalias to me ;-) except that I'm not proposing that border routers do source routing, just that they map from PI identifiers to PA locators and prepend a header that causes the payload to be routed to the locator. Keith _

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 11:42:27AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: > > It smells remarkably like pathalias to me ;-) > > except that I'm not proposing that border routers do source routing, > just that they map from PI identifiers to PA locators and prepend a > header that causes the payload to be route

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Keith Moore
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 11:42:27AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: > > > It smells remarkably like pathalias to me ;-) > > > > except that I'm not proposing that border routers do source routing, > > just that they map from PI identifiers to PA locators and prepend a > > header that causes the payload

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:46:15 -0400, "Theodore Ts'o" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 11:42:27AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: > > > It smells remarkably like pathalias to me ;-) > > > > except that I'm not proposing that border routers do source routing, > > just that they map fro

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-18 Thread Eliot Lear
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:46:15 -0400, "Theodore Ts'o" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> as I recall Erik >> Fair at Apple used a Cray for that purpose, because he didn't like >> waiting :-) >> >> > Peter Honeyman optimized my original algorithm considerably; t

IPv6 Subsets?

2006-04-18 Thread Timothy J. Salo
Ok, Ok, I probably haven't been paying attention, but... If a device implements a subset of IPv6, (e.g., no IPsec, no mobile IP), is it generally understood that this device "implements IPv6"? Has a standard subset of IPv6 been defined for very low-end devices that simply can't implement a full I