Re: Fwd: Last Call: 'The Extensible Markup Language (XML) Configuration Access Protocol (XCAP)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-simple-xcap)

2006-06-25 Thread Julian Reschke
Hi, below are some (late) last-call comments. Best regards, Julian -- 1) XML Schema It seems that the specification normatively requires servers to implement XML Schema. I'm not sure that this is a good idea, I can easily imagine scenarios where the server has a built-in hardwired schema,

RE: Image attachments to ASCII RFCs (was: Re: Last Call: 'Propose dExperiment: Normative Format in Addition to ASCII Text' toExperimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats))

2006-06-25 Thread Lars-Erik Jonsson \(LU/EAB\)
From: Yaakov Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> How about people volunteer to help the effort or how about >> we fund the RFC Editor to work with the XML2RFC people? >> Simply having a working group does NOT produce running code. >> Let's not have committees unless we have an answer to this >> que

RE: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-25 Thread Lars-Erik Jonsson \(LU/EAB\)
> Cogent arguments against? Very few people came out and > said that we need nothing beyond ASCII art. If you ask people whether *we* need nothing more than ASCII, I would guess most of us would not claim that, since even if *I* have not had a single case where something beyond ASCII has been pr

Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-25 Thread Stewart Bryant
Lars-Erik Jonsson (LU/EAB) wrote: Cogent arguments against? Very few people came out and said that we need nothing beyond ASCII art. If you ask people whether *we* need nothing more than ASCII, I would guess most of us would not claim that, since even if *I* have not had a single case w

Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-25 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - > From: "Stewart Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto > ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats) ... > What is unique about the work of the IETF that it does not nee

Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-25 Thread Carl Malamud
> As for traditional mathematical notation, I think resorting to it for > all but the simplest formulas, e.g. "y =(m * x) + b)", often > does a grave disservice to all readers who are not mathematicians. "RFC authors MUST NOT use calculus or matrix algebra. Addition and subtraction MAY be express

Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-25 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Carl Malamud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As for traditional mathematical notation, I think resorting to it for all but the simplest formulas, e.g. "y =(m * x) + b)", often does a grave disservice to all readers who are not mathematicians. "RFC authors MUST NOT use calculus or matrix algebr

Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-25 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 25-jun-2006, at 21:55, Stephen Sprunk wrote: IMHO, this would be a very good rule; the IETF is supposedly about running code, and complex equations that the average programmer cannot understand without digging up a college math book are unimplementable in the real world. Pseudocode is f

[Fwd: Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)]

2006-06-25 Thread Stewart Bryant
As an example,  this .gif extracted from the Y.1711 OAM protocol would be quite difficult in ASCII. It would take a lot of words to describe, which many people would then have to transcribe to some sort of timing diagram - which then may or may not be correct. For those that cannot see the

Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)

2006-06-25 Thread Robert Sayre
On 6/25/06, Stewart Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am going to assert that the people that go to the various SDO are all of approximately the same ability - indeed many IETFers go to more than one SDO, so there is a sort of existance proof. I am going to also assert that the work of most o

Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)]

2006-06-25 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jun 25, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: As an example, this .gif extracted from the Y.1711 OAM protocol would be quite difficult in ASCII. It would take a lot of words to describe, which many people would then have to transcribe to some sort of timing diagram - which then may or may

Re: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)]

2006-06-25 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 25-jun-2006, at 22:41, Stewart Bryant wrote: As an example, this .gif extracted from the Y.1711 OAM protocol would be quite difficult in ASCII. I'm not surprised, as it contains too much information to be readable in a 925 pixel wide GIF. I think this supports Stephen's point that if a

Re: Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)]

2006-06-25 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - > From: "Stewart Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:41 PM > Subject: [Fwd: Re: Last Call: 'Proposed Experiment: Normative Format in > Additionto ASCII Text' to Experimental RFC (draft-ash-alt-formats)] > > As an exampl

Re: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in IETF? (was: moving from hosts to sponsors)

2006-06-25 Thread Dave Crocker
Burger, Eric wrote: > Very much agreed. > > -Original Message- > From: Keith Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I would have little objection to requiring running code as a test of > feasibility of a new idea. I would object strongly to an argument that > just because someone has runn

Re: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in IETF? (was: moving from hosts to sponsors)

2006-06-25 Thread Dave Crocker
John R Levine wrote: >> - partly because it's consuming energy from those who would work on more >> useful goals if they were chartered, partly because of the need for >> damage control, > > This must be a different group of people from the ones who I find on the > DKIM list. If we wanted to wo

Re: Fostering reviews (was Re: are we willing to do change how we do discussions in IETF?)

2006-06-25 Thread Dave Crocker
marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: >> I don't know about "narrow community", but I agree that good reviews >> are essential. ... >> >> In my opinion, if the IETF could make it worth someone's while in one >> way or another to do a thorough review, that would help a lot. > > I very much agree with this