Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request

2006-07-24 Thread todd glassey
Ahahahahahahaha - its the worst contract solicitation I have ever seen... Todd Glassey - Original Message - From: "IETF Administrative Director" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "IETF Announcement list" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:24 AM Subject

Re: Minutes and jabber logs

2006-07-24 Thread todd glassey
Say Gary - there is usually also a retention requirement for the actual logs - not the transcribed ones. This is MUCH more complex than it seems. There is a requirement to be able to prove the integrity of any process and that means demonstrable evidence of everything. I brought this up about two

Re: Response to the Appeal by [...]

2006-07-24 Thread todd glassey
Dean - So then its the ISOC's formal process to officially refuse to comply with Safe Harbor, the US DMCA and the EU's Security Requirements for electronic processes? Cool - I am betting that means the US Government cannot participate with them too, right? By the way - what State's or Country's la

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-24 Thread todd glassey
- Original Message - From: "Tony Hain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Brian E Carpenter'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: RE: Meetings in other regions > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > ... > > Outreach is important, and welcoming ne

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-24 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 24-jul-2006, at 16:28, Joel Jaeggli wrote: IETF should look for "global" sponsors, in a given time frame, for example for a year, or just a meeting if needed, but as said *decoupled* from the venue. Local sponsors can take care of the social, breaks, etc. As you know Jordi local spo

Novell IETF bag

2006-07-24 Thread Philip Matthews
After four and a half years of solid use, one of the fasteners on the strap of my Novell IETF bag (from IETF 52) has finally given out. Since I am otherwise in love with this bag, I am trying to find a replacement strap. Does anyone happen to know who manufactured this bag and/or where one mig

Re: netwrk stuff

2006-07-24 Thread Douglas Otis
On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Todd Glassey wrote: On Jul 24, 2006, at 7:24 AM Douglas Otis wrote: The completion of documents, and the closing of WGs remains within the competence of the IETF. Beyond describing the intended use and the vetting initially achieved, there is little benefit

Re: RFC Editor Function SOW Review

2006-07-24 Thread Dave Crocker
John C Klensin wrote: > Exactly. > > Where Dave and I disagree, I think, is that I consider getting > from "technically correct and coherent but not in English that > is acceptable to non-native speakers who primary language also > differs from that of the author/editor" to be a community > r

Re: IANA, Unicode, and the multilingual Internet

2006-07-24 Thread JFC Morfin
Dear Martin, Thank you for your comment. It makes plain we belong to two different worlds. My concern is the interoperability of these two worlds. My problem is your difficulty to realise that your world is not the only one on earth. Let go through your mail to try to understand why. At 11:17

RE: RFC Editor Function SOW Review

2006-07-24 Thread John C Klensin
Exactly. Where Dave and I disagree, I think, is that I consider getting from "technically correct and coherent but not in English that is acceptable to non-native speakers who primary language also differs from that of the author/editor" to be a community responsibility, while Dave considers it

RE: Minutes and jabber logs

2006-07-24 Thread Gray, Eric
List of attendees? Surely that is actually independent of the minutes... --> -Original Message- --> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:14 AM --> To: David Harrington --> Cc: ietf@ietf.org --> Subject: Re: Minutes and jabber logs --> -->

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Todd Glassey wrote: > Joel... Wow - what can U say... This is an issue because of the gross > incompetence of an entity who is set up to propagate problems so that it will > have something to work on... I bet the management of the IETF finds that > comment as offensive as I find their incompete

RE: RFC Editor Function SOW Review

2006-07-24 Thread Fleischman, Eric
I spent the first many years of my professional life overseas working as a Linguist writing and speaking other people's languages. Even though my own proficiency was inadequate by their standards, I relied upon talented native speakers to enhance my publications so that they became well written in

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi Joel, I know that in most of the cases, the connectivity can also be arranged as part of the "local" sponsorship package. That's why I've used "etc." :-) Regards, Jordi > De: Joel Jaeggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Fecha: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:28:41 -0700 > Para

RFC Editor RFP Review Request

2006-07-24 Thread IETF Administrative Director
The IAOC intends to issue an RFP for the RFC Editor function no later than 31 July 2006. To that end we seek your review and comments to the draft RFP. The draft RFP is in .doc and .pdf formats and can be found at http://koi.uoregon.edu/~iaoc/ . Comments should be submitted by 25 July to ensure

Re: netwrk stuff

2006-07-24 Thread Douglas Otis
On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 06:51 -0700, todd glassey wrote: > The question as to why that initiative's process was stalled would > have to be answered to be fair. One would have to take into > consideration whether the underlying technologies were the issue, > those undertaking the effort abandoned it,

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-24 Thread Todd Glassey
Joel... Wow - what can U say... This is an issue because of the gross incompetence of an entity who is set up to propagate problems so that it will have something to work on... I bet the management of the IETF finds that comment as offensive as I find their incompetence in these matters. The

Re: netwrk stuff

2006-07-24 Thread Todd Glassey
-Original Message- >From: Douglas Otis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 24, 2006 7:24 AM >To: todd glassey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: IETF Discussion >Subject: Re: netwrk stuff > >On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 06:51 -0700, todd glassey wrote: > >> The question as to why that initiative's process was

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > That's part of the problem, sponsorship should be managed from a different > perspective, and totally decoupled from the venue itself. > > IETF should look for "global" sponsors, in a given time frame, for example > for a year, or just a meeting if needed, but as said

IANA, Unicode, and the multilingual Internet

2006-07-24 Thread Martin Duerst
At 04:05 06/07/23, JFC Morfin wrote: >4.3. IANA registries. In the case of IANA registries there is no market >alternative [we saw that in the alt-root case]. The control of a IANA registry >can therefore be strategic. Until now the IANA had three main areas: numbers, >names, protocol pa

Re: Appeals, post-appeal discussions, DoS attacks on the IETF, and the depth of turtles

2006-07-24 Thread Frank Ellermann
John C Klensin wrote: [DRP excl. last calls] > in general, if an AD, or the IESG, as a whole, is asked to > issue a Last Call and declines to do so, that decision > should be subject to appeal. And, if the IESG wants to see > that "in general" narrowed --as I think it should be-- then > they sh

Re: Meetings in other regions

2006-07-24 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
That's part of the problem, sponsorship should be managed from a different perspective, and totally decoupled from the venue itself. IETF should look for "global" sponsors, in a given time frame, for example for a year, or just a meeting if needed, but as said *decoupled* from the venue. Local sp

Re: Appeals, post-appeal discussions, DoS attacks on the IETF, and the depth of turtles

2006-07-24 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 24 July, 2006 07:07 +0200 Frank Ellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John C Klensin wrote: > >> I commend draft-carpenter-ietf-disputes-00 as an attempt to >> rethink this area. People who are interested in this topic >> should probably study it. > > Yes, it's interesting. Wit