Re: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-07 Thread Stewart Bryant
Ralph Droms wrote: Perhaps we could avoid similar delays in generating the final list of volunteers in the future: Secretariat generates a list of eligible volunteers as early as possible (As far as I know, eligibility data is available well before call for volunteers is posted) List is

Re: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-07 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Stewart Bryant wrote: The nomcom pool is in my view very much at the low water mark So an extension to Ralph's idea would be for the Secretatiat to send a direct mail to all those who are eligable to say that they are eligable for this important task and invite them to

Re: IESG response and questions to the normative reference experiment (draft-klensin-norm-ref-01.txt)

2006-09-07 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, Sam Hartman wrote: Pekka == Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pekka On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Sam Hartman wrote: Pekka == Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pekka I do not agree with the assessment that there is community Pekka consensus to turn this to BCP

Re: Last Call: 'Label Switching Router Self-Test' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-mpls-lsr-self-test)

2006-09-07 Thread Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)
I read this document and in general I believe that it's well and clear written. I have a couple of technical issues and a few editorial nits 1. The document is sharing allocation space and refers in several places to [LSP-Ping] which is also listed as a Normative Reference. I could not however

Re: RFC Editor RFP Responses

2006-09-07 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 06:29:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 22 lines which said: 1. The Information Sciences Institute, University of Southern California, Marina del Ray, California, USA, the incumbent ... Ray Pelletier Phil Regnauld reported that

Re: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-07 Thread todd glassey
Ned Eliot - why fix the process??? - lets just turn the IETF into a democracy and every member gets a vote.and that way the process isn't needed. ISOC members should probably also get to vote eh? Todd - Original Message - From: Ned Freed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eliot Lear [EMAIL

Re: [mpls] Re: Last Call: 'Label Switching Router Self-Test' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-mpls-lsr-self-test) (2)

2006-09-07 Thread George Swallow
1) if i read this right, it is a way for one lsr to ask another lsr to test the first lsr's data path -- can someone tell me if i am working ok?. _if_ my interpretation is right (and it is monday morning and not all the little gray cells are at 100% efficiency yet), it seems that

Re: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-07 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 06:08:08PM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Dave Crocker wrote: Brian E Carpenter wrote: This isn't a call for bureaucracy, but for precision. As this year's glitch shows, extreme precision is needed in the rules. Interesting. What it showed me is that we

Re: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-07 Thread bmanning
ietf has members? when did that happen Todd? --bill (checking for his membership card, reviewing tax records for missed membership dues, etc...) On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 09:10:41AM -0700, todd glassey wrote: Ned Eliot - why fix the process??? - lets just turn the IETF into a

Re: Adjusting the Nomcom process

2006-09-07 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:43:48AM -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: Just to clarify here there were two problems: 1) The list was not published on time 2) There was an unqualified person on the list. er... there might have been a third problem, qualified people were

Re: RFC Editor RFP Responses

2006-09-07 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Sep 7, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 06:29:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 22 lines which said: 1. The Information Sciences Institute, University of Southern California, Marina del Ray, California, USA, the

Re: what happened to newtrk?

2006-09-07 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 06 September, 2006 13:35 +0200 Frank Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian E Carpenter wrote: 3464 is already DS according to the RFC Index. Good, the process works, unlike my memory: I meant 3834, a few days ago I wrote 3864 instead of 3834 on another list, so

RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Kurt D. Zeilenga
At 01:36 PM 9/7/2006, John C Klensin wrote: Actually, that topic opens up one of the fundamental issues with our standards process ... one where better definition and clear community consensus is, IMO, needed. Measured by our documented criteria, 2195 exists in multiple independent

Re: what happened to newtrk?

2006-09-07 Thread Frank Ellermann
John C Klensin wrote: that topic opens up one of the fundamental issues with our standards process ... one where better definition and clear community consensus is, IMO, needed. Fundamental and consensus sounds dangerous, see subject. 2195 exists in multiple independent implementations,

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 07 September, 2006 14:31 -0700 Kurt D. Zeilenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:36 PM 9/7/2006, John C Klensin wrote: Actually, that topic opens up one of the fundamental issues with our standards process ... one where better definition and clear community consensus is, IMO,

Re: RFC 2195

2006-09-07 Thread Frank Ellermann
Kurt D. Zeilenga wrote: implementations of RFC 2195 suffer from interoperability problems due to its failure to specify a character set/encoding The challenge has the syntactical form of an RFC 822 msg-id. The concepts of userid and password are the business of the application. All CRAM-D5

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 07, 2006 07:07:51 PM -0400 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, 2195 is not, itself, a SASL method and there is nothing in the procedural rules as I understand them that permits the SASL WG to de-standardize it (you could write any of several styles of

Re: what happened to newtrk?

2006-09-07 Thread Sam Hartman
John == John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Actually, that topic opens up one of the fundamental issues John with our standards process ... one where better definition John and clear community consensus is, IMO, needed. Measured by John our documented criteria, 2195

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 07, 2006 07:48:45 PM -0400 Jeffrey Hutzelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, he could ask that 2195 be advanced as-is, but I would expect such an effort to fail, as that version has turned out to be somewhat underspecified. Multiple interoperable implementations is

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Kurt D. Zeilenga
At 04:07 PM 9/7/2006, John C Klensin wrote: I think we have a small misunderstanding here. Let me say more clearly and briefly My message was intended to clarify why the SASL WG is pursuing an Informational recommendation for its RFC2195bis work and to redirect any comments specific to this

RE: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Christian Huitema
From: Kurt D. Zeilenga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:07 PM 9/7/2006, John C Klensin wrote: I think we have a small misunderstanding here. Let me say more clearly and briefly My message was intended to clarify why the SASL WG is pursuing an Informational recommendation for its RFC2195bis

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Frank Ellermann
Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: Multiple interoperable implementations is not the [only] criteria for advancement; it is necessary but not sufficient 2026 says mature, useful, well-understood, stable. A downref to SASLprep for a 2195bis DS would be odd, in that case better publish 2195bis as PS.

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Frank Ellermann
Christian Huitema wrote: both Steve Bellovin and I presented the issues with such techniques. Is that presentation online available somewhere ? I find the way to http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/05aug/index.html but then I'm lost. Basic challenge response mechanisms like CRAM-MD5 are simply

RE: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
From: Christian Huitema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kurt D. Zeilenga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:07 PM 9/7/2006, John C Klensin wrote: I think we have a small misunderstanding here. Let me say more clearly and briefly My message was intended to clarify why the SASL WG is

Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, September 08, 2006 04:49:11 AM +0200 Frank Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my real problem: If users or worse implementors don't know how stuff works it's bad. What you end up with are some hypothetical situations like this: A hypothetical situation is one that

RE: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, September 07, 2006 08:12:44 PM -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The solution to this particular problem is to use SSL as the transport. IMAP and POP both support this use. It is a trivial matter to discover that IMAPS is supported using an SRV record. Of

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2006-09-07 Thread Thomas Narten
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RE: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?)

2006-09-07 Thread Christian Huitema
-Original Message- From: Frank Ellermann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:49 PM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC 2195 (Was: what happened to newtrk?) Christian Huitema wrote: both Steve Bellovin and I presented the issues with such

Last Call: 'QoS Signaling in a Nested Virtual Private Network' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-tsvwg-vpn-signaled-preemption)

2006-09-07 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Transport Area Working Group WG to consider the following document: - 'QoS Signaling in a Nested Virtual Private Network ' draft-ietf-tsvwg-vpn-signaled-preemption-00.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks,

Protocol Action: 'Transport of Ethernet Frames over L2TPv3' to Proposed Standard

2006-09-07 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Transport of Ethernet Frames over L2TPv3 ' draft-ietf-l2tpext-pwe3-ethernet-09.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Layer Two Tunneling Protocol Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and