Facts, please, not handwaving [Re: Its about mandate RE: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process]

2006-09-18 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Phill, As a result the IETF is a standards body with 2000 active participants that produces on average less than 3 standards a year and typically takes ten years to produce even a specification. It is well understood that the Internet mainly runs on Proposed Standards, so the appropriate

Re: Facts, please, not handwaving [Re: Its about mandate RE: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process]

2006-09-18 Thread Eliot Lear
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Phill, As a result the IETF is a standards body with 2000 active participants that produces on average less than 3 standards a year and typically takes ten years to produce even a specification. It is well understood that the Internet mainly runs on Proposed

Re: Facts, please, not handwaving [Re: Its about mandate RE: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process]

2006-09-18 Thread Jefsey_Morfin
At 09:09 18/09/2006, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Phill, As a result the IETF is a standards body with 2000 active participants that produces on average less than 3 standards a year and typically takes ten years to produce even a specification. It is well understood that the Internet mainly runs

Re: Re: Facts, please, not handwaving [Re: Its about mandate RE: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process]

2006-09-18 Thread Bill Fenner
On 9/18/06, Eliot Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not done the work to review velocity from -00 to RFC, but perhaps Bill Fenner has. I haven't; I've been concentrating on the IESG part of the document lifecycle. Bill ___ Ietf mailing list

Re: Its about mandate RE: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process

2006-09-18 Thread Theodore Tso
On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 10:16:11AM -0700, todd glassey wrote: For instance - would Harald H ever let me run an initiative through IPR? - not a chance and his refusal to allow me to file my drafts under his WG is a violation of the IETF charter, and tortuous interference by he and the IESG to

Re: Facts, please, not handwaving

2006-09-18 Thread Frank Ellermann
Jefsey_Morfin wrote: The Internet has dramatically increased this to the point we have accepted it as a virtual and a global world, i.e. a conceptual and geographical equivalent coverage to reality. The IETF is therefore in the core of this But not alone, googlebot, wikipedia, and some other

Re: Facts, please, not handwaving [Re: Its about mandate RE: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process]

2006-09-18 Thread grenville armitage
Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: [..] Campaigns can be a pain, but they do have positive attributes. People who have to campaign for a position are forced to think about the contribution they intend to make, they have to set out a program of action, they have to communicate it to the

Re: Facts, please, not handwaving [Re: Its about mandate RE: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process]

2006-09-18 Thread Robert Sayre
On 9/18/06, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's see - HTTP/1.1 was published as Proposed Standard in January 1997, and draft-ietf-http-v11-spec-00.txt was posted in November 1995. The first drafts of the spec were

Re: Facts, please, not handwaving [Re: Its about mandate RE: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process]

2006-09-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thankfully, the complete failure known as HTTP 1.1 would never make it to Proposed Standard under the unwritten process we have now. For example, it doesn't contain a mandatory, universally interoperable authentication feature. That's right, it doesn't,

Document Action: 'ENUM Validation Architecture' to Informational RFC

2006-09-18 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'ENUM Validation Architecture ' draft-ietf-enum-validation-arch-04.txt as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the Telephone Number Mapping Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jon Peterson and Cullen Jennings. A URL

Document Action: 'Using OpenPGP keys for TLS authentication' to Experimental RFC

2006-09-18 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Using OpenPGP keys for TLS authentication ' draft-ietf-tls-openpgp-keys-11.txt as an Experimental RFC This document is the product of the Transport Layer Security Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Russ Housley and Sam Hartman. A

Document Action: 'Desired Enhancements to GSSAPI Version 3 Naming' to Informational RFC

2006-09-18 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Desired Enhancements to GSSAPI Version 3 Naming ' draft-ietf-kitten-gss-naming-05.txt as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the Kitten (GSS-API Next Generation) Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Russ Housley and

Protocol Action: 'GMPLS - Communication of Alarm Information' to Proposed Standard

2006-09-18 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'GMPLS - Communication of Alarm Information ' draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-alarm-spec-06.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ross Callon and