Re: legal issue of RFC3619

2006-10-19 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Note that RFC 3619 is a document published for the information of the Internet community, via the RFC Editor, and not as part of the IETF standards process; I don't believe that the IETF makes any requirement on patent disclosure on such documents. That said, it is nice that Extreme has

Re: legal issue of RFC3619

2006-10-19 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Note that RFC 3619 is a document published for the information of the Internet community, via the RFC Editor, and not as part of the IETF standards process; I don't believe that the IETF makes any requirement on patent disclosure on such documents. Well, any I-D that contains the required

Re: with merit?

2006-10-19 Thread Sam Hartman
Robert == Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert On 10/17/06, Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Can an appeal be rejected with merit? Yes. I think Robert's recent appeal was rejected that way. Robert I don't feel that way. I did wait a long time for a

RE: [Nea] WG Review: Network Endpoint Assessment (nea)

2006-10-19 Thread Stephen Hanna
Ted Hardie wrote: For the charter discussions, I want to know whether it will be an aim of the working group to standardize: * a way of carrying this information * the structure of this information (but not its content) * a standard representation of the content, so that access to the vendor

NAT TRAVERSAL IN SIP THROUGH IMS

2006-10-19 Thread Ashfaaq H Poonawala
Dear All, I am a Masters Student at Southern Methodist University, Dallas TX. I am doing a project on NAT traversal in SIP in the IMS network. I am discussing the problems for the RTP packets while NAT traversal. One of the solution to it is the STUN and TURN servers. I would really

Re: with merit?

2006-10-19 Thread Robert Sayre
Sam Hartman wrote: Robert == Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert On 10/17/06, Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Can an appeal be rejected with merit? Yes. I think Robert's recent appeal was rejected that way. Robert I don't feel that

Re: with merit?

2006-10-19 Thread Sam Hartman
Robert == Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert OK. I want to write a document that makes MTI a Robert non-requirement for HTTP1.1-based protocols, because I Robert believe that is the consensus in the HTTP community. How Robert do I get that done? You start by writing a

Re: with merit?

2006-10-19 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:29:07 -0400, Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. I want to write a document that makes MTI a non-requirement for HTTP1.1-based protocols, because I believe that is the consensus in the HTTP community. How do I get that done? Are you trying to change general

Re: [David Kessens] DISCUSS: draft-carpenter-rescind-3683

2006-10-19 Thread Joel M. Halpern
After re-read Brian's draft, RFC 3683, RFC 3934, and the relevant portions of RFC2418 I support the IESG/ADs ability to make longer than 30-day suspensions and to engage in alternate methods of mailing list control, as described in 2418. I agree that the IESG having only the option of 1 year

Re: [David Kessens] DISCUSS: draft-carpenter-rescind-3683

2006-10-19 Thread Sam Hartman
Joel == Joel M Halpern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joel After re-read Brian's draft, RFC 3683, RFC 3934, and the Joel relevant portions of RFC2418 I support the IESG/ADs ability Joel to make longer than 30-day suspensions and to engage in Joel alternate methods of mailing list

RE: NAT TRAVERSAL IN SIP THROUGH IMS

2006-10-19 Thread Dan Wing
3GPP owns the IMS specification, not the IETF. I know there was a recent contribution to 3gpp for using STUN (and TURN and ICE) for NAT traversal. In the IETF, STUN is a standard (RFC3489), TURN is being standardized in the BEHAVE working group and ICE (which is related to STUN and TURN) is

Re: Requirements for Open Positions

2006-10-19 Thread John C Klensin
Andrew, Let me suggest, and suggest to the Nomcom, that these requirements are the opinions of the incumbents of what it takes to do the jobs as they see them. That is important input, but I question whether it should be controlling for either applicants or Nomcom decisions. In particular,

Re: Requirements for Open Positions

2006-10-19 Thread Fred Baker
On Oct 19, 2006, at 2:53 PM, John C Klensin wrote: I believe that potential candidates who (i) clearly understand what is involved in the relevant role but (ii) who have plausible ideas about how the tasks could be rearranged so as to reduce the workload should be taken very seriously

draft-iesg-discuss-criteria (was: [...] DISCUSS: draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-19 Thread Frank Ellermann
Sam Hartman wrote: I'm going to last call the draft again. The discuss was about -02, the new last call will be about -03, here's a tiny URL for a diff: http://tinyurl.com/y6c2nk The iesg-discuss-criteria-02 I-D could be updated, it expired two months ago, and there's apparently a bug in its

Re: draft-iesg-discuss-criteria (was: [...] DISCUSS: draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-19 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Friday, October 20, 2006 04:01:13 AM +0200 Frank Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the draft in question that means that it's now at 12:2, and if one member changes his or her mind it could fail with a 11:3. You are confusing the normal balloting process with the alternative one.

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2006-10-19 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: draft-iesg-discuss-criteria (was: [...] DISCUSS: draft-carpenter-rescind-3683)

2006-10-19 Thread Ted Hardie
At 11:12 PM -0400 10/19/06, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: (presumably, an IESG member having only weak objections would enter an abstain, This is not what an abstain means in the IESG's procedures.The text from http://www.ietf.org/u/ietfchair/voting-procedures.txt says: - Abstain means I

Re: draft-iesg-discuss-criteria

2006-10-19 Thread Frank Ellermann
Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: You are confusing the normal balloting process with the alternative one. s/confusing/comparing/ - assuming that yes + no objection end up as yes, and discuss + abstain as no. Skipping Brian's R to get 14 ballots. there is no reason to assume that someone who voted

Last Call: 'IS-IS Extensions for Advertising Router Information' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-isis-caps)

2006-10-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IS-IS for IP Internets WG to consider the following document: - 'IS-IS Extensions for Advertising Router Information ' draft-ietf-isis-caps-06.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final

Last Call: 'Additional ECC Groups For IKE and IKEv2' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-ipsec-ike-ecc-groups)

2006-10-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Additional ECC Groups For IKE and IKEv2 ' draft-ietf-ipsec-ike-ecc-groups-10.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on

Last Call: 'Multi-Topology (MT) Routing in OSPF' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-ospf-mt)

2006-10-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG to consider the following document: - 'Multi-Topology (MT) Routing in OSPF ' draft-ietf-ospf-mt-06.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this

Requirements for Open Positions

2006-10-19 Thread Andrew Lange
The IESG and IAB provide the NomCom with requirements for the positions in their groups. To help nominators select good candidates, and let the community know the sorts of experience and qualifications that the NomCom is seeking, the requirements have been posted at the URLs below. Requirements

Call for Nominations - NomCom06 - Correction

2006-10-19 Thread Andrew Lange
The previous call contained a typo. Lars Eggert was erroneously listed as a Security AD instead of Transport AD. The corrected list is below. The IESG positions that will be reviewed by this NomCom are: Brian Carpenter -- General Area (IETF Chair) Ted Hardie -- Applications Area Mark Townsley

Last Call: 'Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE 802.3 Medium Attachment Units (MAUs)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-hubmib-rfc3636bis)

2006-10-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Ethernet Interfaces and Hub MIB WG to consider the following document: - 'Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE 802.3 Medium Attachment Units (MAUs) ' draft-ietf-hubmib-rfc3636bis-05.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in

Power Maintenance of the IETF Secretariat Data Center

2006-10-19 Thread IETF Secretariat
The NeuStar Secretariat Services annual power generator maintenance for the data center will be taking place over this weekend. As a consequence of this routine maintenance, between Saturday, October 21, 2006, 5pm EDT, and Sunday, October 22, 2006, 2am EDT, the following sites and services may

RFC 4711 on Real-time Application Quality-of-Service Monitoring (RAQMON) MIB

2006-10-19 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4711 Title: Real-time Application Quality-of-Service Monitoring (RAQMON) MIB Author: A. Siddiqui, D. Romascanu, E. Golovinsky

RFC 4710 on Real-time Application Quality-of-Service Monitoring (RAQMON) Framework

2006-10-19 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4710 Title: Real-time Application Quality-of-Service Monitoring (RAQMON) Framework Author: A. Siddiqui, D. Romascanu, E. Golovinsky

RFC 4712 on Transport Mappings for Real-time Application Quality-of-Service Monitoring (RAQMON) Protocol Data Unit (PDU)

2006-10-19 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4712 Title: Transport Mappings for Real-time Application Quality-of-Service Monitoring (RAQMON) Protocol Data Unit (PDU) Author: A.

Power Maintenance of the IETF Secretariat Data Center - Addendum

2006-10-19 Thread IETF Secretariat
Addendum to the previous annoucement that is attached below: In extreme condition, IETF Mail Exchange server will automaically failover to the secondary MX server that is running from other data center, which will assure that there will be *no* impact on email exchange (include I-D submissions)

67th IETF - Overflow Hotels

2006-10-19 Thread IETF Secretariat
Overflow hotels have been arranged and are within five miles (15 minutes by cab). Both have agreed to favorable rates especially given the high demand for the rooms. Information on two additional hotels has been added to the IETF website: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/67-hotels.html. Rooms are

Revised Internet-Drafts Submission Cutoff Dates for the 67th IETF Meeting in San Diego, California, USA

2006-10-19 Thread ietf-secretariat
All revised Internet-Drafts (version -01 and higher) must be submitted by Monday, October 23rd at 9:00 AM ET. Revised Internet-Drafts received after the cutoff date will not be made available in the Internet-Drafts directory or announced until on or after Monday, November 6th at 9:00 AM ET,