Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Cutting to the chase: How about allowing PROTO shepherds to post to the I-D tracker? See whether draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-tracker-ext-01.txt covers what you want. If not, immediately would be a very good time to tell the PROTO team. Brian ___

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-09 Thread Simon Josefsson
Adrian Farrel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But note that the current version of the tracker does not raise the DISCUSS with anyone. It simply logs it. I agree, and think this is an important observation. This lack of communication may cause friction. IESG members raise issues, which ends up the

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-09 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
I have had the same experience. The tracker is not mentioned in any of the process documents or the desription of ietf process or the web site (which continues to be useless). The impression is of a clique who know their procedures internally, do nothing to explain them to others then get

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-01-09 14:03, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: ... The tracker is not mentioned in any of the process documents That is normal; it's a tool used in support of the process, and we could in theory use papyrus rolls instead. I agree we need procedural documents too; that is what IONs are for

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 05:03:57 -0800 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had the same experience. The tracker is not mentioned in any of the process documents or the desription of ietf process or the web site (which continues to be useless). The impression is of a clique

Re: Intermediate wg summaries

2007-01-09 Thread Bob Braden
Steve Bellovin wrote: Dave, a lot of this discussion has boiled down to a single topic, one that's been talked about for a very long time: early, cross-area review. Unfortunately, we've tried several schemes that haven't worked and we don't really know how to do better. All have had some

Re: Design Summaries (Re: Intermediate wg summaries)

2007-01-09 Thread John Leslie
Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However none cover the reason for Design Summaries (I'm changing the name, a bit.) The nature of a Summary has the wg take a step back from daily details and create a snapshot of the basic design and specification decisions, to date, but not as a

Re: Design Summaries (Re: Intermediate wg summaries)

2007-01-09 Thread Dave Crocker
The nature of a Summary has the wg take a step back from daily details and create a snapshot of the basic design and specification decisions, to date, but not as a list of individual decisions (or open issues.) This sounds as if it would be extremely helpful to folks sitting in on WG

Document Action: 'Key Change Strategies for TCP-MD5' to Informational RFC

2007-01-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Key Change Strategies for TCP-MD5 ' draft-bellovin-keyroll2385-04.txt as an Informational RFC This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Russ Housley. A URL of this