Re: Proceeding CDs

2007-02-19 Thread Stewart Bryant
Is there strong rationale for maintaining production of the CDs? No. IMO, free online retrieval of IETF proceedings is sufficient. Spend the time and money on something more important. I agree. - Stewart ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread Harald Alvestrand
My attention has recently been drawn to this set of documents: - draft-legg-xed-asd - draft-legg-xed-asd-gserei - draft-legg-xed-asd-xerei - draft-legg-xed-rxer - draft-legg-xed-rxer-ei It's, as far as I can tell, an attempt at a complete reimplementation of ASN.1 using XML. I was very

Re: Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread Fred Baker
On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: My attention has recently been drawn to this set of documents: - draft-legg-xed-asd - draft-legg-xed-asd-gserei - draft-legg-xed-asd-xerei - draft-legg-xed-rxer - draft-legg-xed-rxer-ei It's, as far as I can tell, an attempt at a complete

Re: Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 19. februar 2007 02:40 -0800 Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: My attention has recently been drawn to this set of documents: - draft-legg-xed-asd - draft-legg-xed-asd-gserei - draft-legg-xed-asd-xerei - draft-legg-xed-rxer -

RE: IETF last call on RADIUS GEOPRIV Document

2007-02-19 Thread Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)
Please find below my comments: 1. The IETF LC mentions only the DOWNREF for RFC 3576. However, there is another DOWNREF for RFC 2866 which is not mentioned in the LC. 2. Reference [1] fails to name the RFC number (2119) 3. It would be useful to include expansion of the acronyms at first

Re: Last Call: draft-harrington-text-mib-doc-template (A Template

2007-02-19 Thread Tom.Petch
- Original Message - From: David Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tom.Petch' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'ietf' ietf@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: RE: Last Call: draft-harrington-text-mib-doc-template (A Template Yup. Trying to figure out how to publish this in

Re: WG Review: Media Server Control (mediactrl)

2007-02-19 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, IESG Secretary wrote: Given the wide acceptance of the media server, we need a standard way to control them. This, and taking a look at draft-boulton-sip-control-framework-05.txt which seems to be relevant here, seems to imply this group is about to build a management

Re: WG Review: Congestion and Pre-Congestion Notification (pcn)

2007-02-19 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, IESG Secretary wrote: [logical components being:] encoding and transport along forward path from marker to egress, metering of congestion information at the egress, and transport of congestion information back to the controlling ingress. I'd like to see it explicitly

Re: comments on draft-houseley-aaa-key-mgmt-07.txt

2007-02-19 Thread Sam Hartman
Lakshminath == Lakshminath Dondeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lakshminath Dan, We are discussing the case of the authenticator Lakshminath providing a different identity to the peer and the Lakshminath server here. Sam raised that issue. This is probably the last message you'll hear

Re: comments on draft-houseley-aaa-key-mgmt-07.txt

2007-02-19 Thread Yoshihiro Ohba
Vidya, On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:20:54PM -0800, Narayanan, Vidya wrote: (snip) Going back to your proposed text: It is RECOMMENDED that the key transport protocol be able to detect impersonation. When it is not feasible to guarantee that, every key handed out from the server

Re: Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, February 19, 2007 11:45 +0100 Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having not read the above and not really caring much what happens in the layers up in the stratosphere as long as its designers don't by its sheer weight make the application unusable, is it a bad

Re: WG Review: Congestion and Pre-Congestion Notification (pcn)

2007-02-19 Thread Fred Baker
On Feb 19, 2007, at 5:19 AM, Pekka Savola wrote: I'd like to see it explicitly stated that transporting congestion information in the (metered) IP packets themselves is out of scope. This should exclude designs such as adding IP options en-route, defining new extension headers, or modifying

Re: Identifications dealing with Bulk Unsolicited Messages (BUMs)

2007-02-19 Thread Douglas Otis
On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 13:20 -0800, Douglas Otis wrote: --- The safe way forward would be to demand that security be considered first and foremost. In a store and forward scheme, start the chain of identification from the transmitting entity, where the originating entity is then able to

Re: Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread Tim Bray
On 2/19/07, John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, I would have no problems with Informational or Experimental publication of this collection -- it is the proposed decision to standardize that bothers me. Exactly. Under no circumstances should it ever be OK to use IETF

Re: Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread Dave Crocker
Fred Baker wrote: is it a bad thing to provide the expressive nature of ASN.1 in a human-readable and popular data representation? The one thing IETF standardization certainly ought to imply is that there is a real constituency interesting in using the specification in the near-term.

Re: Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread Bob Braden
The one thing IETF standardization certainly ought to imply is that there is a real constituency interesting in using the specification in the near-term. Dave, Why is near term an essential requirement? If the Internet designers had opted for the near term, we would all be running some

Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcs-mib-02.txt

2007-02-19 Thread Suresh Krishnan
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcs-mib-02.txt For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Summary: This draft is

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcs-mib-02.txt

2007-02-19 Thread Keith McCloghrie
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcs-mib-02.txt Thanks for your review. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-imss-fc-fcs-mib-02.txt

2007-02-19 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Keith, Please find comments inline. Thanks Suresh Without this sentence, the boilerplate implies that all of the listed keywords are present in the document. Since the boilerplate cannot be changed, the sentence was included to avoid the erroneous implication. I do not know of any

Re: Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread Dave Crocker
Bob Braden wrote: Why is near term an essential requirement? If the Internet designers had opted for the near term, we would all be running some flavor of X.25 today. Research vs. engineering. Standards are for engineering. When they don't solve near-term problems they tend not to

Gen-ART LC Review of draft-wilde-text-fragment-06

2007-02-19 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document:

Re: comments on draft-houseley-aaa-key-mgmt-07.txt

2007-02-19 Thread Lakshminath Dondeti
Sam, Please read the thread again and make a convincing case as to why my message -- and please consider the entire message -- is disgusting, and I shall apologize. Some notes inline: Sam Hartman wrote: Lakshminath == Lakshminath Dondeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lakshminath Dan, We

Re: Protest: Complexity running rampant

2007-02-19 Thread Andy Bierman
Dave Crocker wrote: Fred Baker wrote: is it a bad thing to provide the expressive nature of ASN.1 in a human-readable and popular data representation? The one thing IETF standardization certainly ought to imply is that there is a real constituency interesting in using the specification

RE: comments on draft-houseley-aaa-key-mgmt-07.txt

2007-02-19 Thread Narayanan, Vidya
Hi Bernard, From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:49 AM To: Narayanan, Vidya; Dondeti, Lakshminath; Sam Hartman Cc: Dan Harkins; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: comments on