Re: Identifications dealing with Bulk Unsolicited Messages (BUMs)

2007-02-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-02-21 17:07, Tony Finch wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Blacklists at the level of sending domains (or reputation systems that function like blacklists) are a failure. I was talking about IP address blacklists. Right. That can work, of course. Perhaps 90% was

Re: Identifications dealing with Bulk Unsolicited Messages (BUMs)

2007-02-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
The level of bulk unsolicited messages exceed more than 90% of the volume in many cases I estimate 95% of moderated non-member mail that hits the IESG list to be b.u.m. Brian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

RE: Identifications dealing with Bulk Unsolicited Messages (BUMs)

2007-02-22 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: The question Brian raised is not the percentage of spam that blacklists catch, it's the false positive rate. Yes, you have to be careful about which blacklists you use and how you use them. The reputable ones (e.g. Spamhaus) have a negligible

Re: Identifications dealing with Bulk Unsolicited Messages (BUMs)

2007-02-22 Thread Tony Finch
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Interesting. Do they also run content filters? SpamAssassin deals with most of the rest. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dotat.at/ PLYMOUTH BISCAY FITZROY SOLE: SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST 5 TO 7, OCCASIONALLY GALE 8. ROUGH OR VERY ROUGH.

Re: Identifications dealing with Bulk Unsolicited Messages (BUMs)

2007-02-22 Thread Douglas Otis
On Feb 22, 2007, at 1:41 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: The level of bulk unsolicited messages exceed more than 90% of the volume in many cases I estimate 95% of moderated non-member mail that hits the IESG list to be b.u.m. Much that slips past somewhat static (and not very effective)