A little comic relief.... was: RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread Thomas Gal
I encountered this article, perhaps worth seeing a lay-person's views on the subject. If not, however, I particularly like the little excerpt they use to some up NAT discussions: http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/ipv6.ars This is usually when someone brings up NAT. Home routers (and a lot

Re: FYI: Daylight Savings Time discrepancy

2007-03-09 Thread Lars Eggert
On 2007-3-7, at 12:34, ext Brian E Carpenter wrote: North America changes to Daylight Savings Time this weekend 10/11 March. Europe changes two weeks later, 24/25 March, immediately after the IETF. This has consequences. This may be useful to folks: From: Jeff Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Dan Harkins] comments on draft-houseley-aaa-key-mgmt-07.txt

2007-03-09 Thread TCHEPNDA Christian
My 2 cents inline... -Message d'origine- De : Lakshminath Dondeti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 7 mars 2007 23:50 À : Sam Hartman Cc : ietf@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Dan Harkins] comments on draft-houseley-aaa-key-mgmt-07.txt Hi Sam, Many thanks for the opportunity

Re: DNS role (RE: NATs as firewalls, cryptography, and curbing DDoS threats.)

2007-03-09 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:41:02AM -0800, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 115 lines which said: OK lets try code, at the moment to start up a TCP socket you have code of the form: In C. In every other language I know, it is at a much higher level. (Even in C,

Re: DNS role (RE: NATs as firewalls, cryptography, and curbing DDoS threats.)

2007-03-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Phill, I'm not playing with words. The style of 'connection' involved in a SIP session with proxies is very different from that of a classical TCP session or a SOAP/HTTP/TCP session, or something using SCTP for some signalling purpose. And audio or video streaming over RTP is something else

Re: IETF 70 and 73 Venue Announcement

2007-03-09 Thread Ray Pelletier
John, Thank you for your feedback. We will take the following actions to address your concerns: We will review appropriate government sites and leading travel guides during the venue qualification process and selection. We will also provide links to those sites when we announce venues in the

RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread Nick Staff
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I still believe that the time is right for an IETF WG to define SOHO gateway requirements for IPv6 networks because IPv4 wind-down will cause more people to take a serious look at how and why to deploy IPv6. One single good idea in a SOHO

RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread David Morris
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Nick Staff wrote: I think the thing that would help IPv6 the most would be the setting of a hard date when no new IPv4 addresses would be issued. This would make it real for everyone and ignite the IPv6/IPv4 gateway market (I think). Not to mention we'd never have to

RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
Y2K had a slightly different dynamic, largely driven by the marketing practices of Y2K vampires. As soon as the fangs were buried in a fresh prey the victim was forced to send letters to all its suppliers asking if they were Y2K compliant, thus creating fresh meat for the pack to hunt, and so

Re: IETF 70 and 73 Venue Announcement

2007-03-09 Thread John C Klensin
Ray, --On Friday, 09 March, 2007 09:35 -0500 Ray Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Thank you for your feedback. We will take the following actions to address your concerns: We will review appropriate government sites and leading travel guides during the venue qualification process

RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread Tony Hain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 11:22:05AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case, I don't have any examples to present since most of the reclamation that has been done over the past few years was done without any fanfare. The RIRs and the organizations involved are

Last Call Comments on draft-housley-tls-authz-07

2007-03-09 Thread Eric Rescorla
$Id: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07-rev.txt,v 1.1 2007/03/09 18:52:17 ekr Exp $ BACKGROUND This document specifies a generic mechanism for including additional non-TLS authentication data (e.g., attribute certificates). This data isn't necessary to complete the handshake cryptographically but

RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread Tony Hain
Nick Staff wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I still believe that the time is right for an IETF WG to define SOHO gateway requirements for IPv6 networks because IPv4 wind-down will cause more people to take a serious look at how and why to deploy IPv6. One single

Secretariat RFI Announcement

2007-03-09 Thread Ray Pelletier
The IETF Administrative Support Activity intends to fundamentally review the support structure for IETF's standards development process, including possible new operational models, with a view towards improving operational efficiency, support and management. To that end, the IASA is exploring

Re: DNS role (RE: NATs as firewalls, cryptography, and curbing DDoS threats.)

2007-03-09 Thread Douglas Otis
On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Phill, I'm not playing with words. The style of 'connection' involved in a SIP session with proxies is very different from that of a classical TCP session or a SOAP/HTTP/TCP session, or something using SCTP for some signalling

Re: IETF 70 and 73 Venue Announcement

2007-03-09 Thread Jari Arkko
John, Ray, For example, while I would not have expected the Secretariat to round up a Ducks or equivalent vehicles to ferry people across unexpected lakes and rivers (formerly believed to be roads) in Dallas, :-) I would expect you to consider IETF-specific arrangements for airport -

routing and addressing meetings in Prague

2007-03-09 Thread Jari Arkko
Hi all, We are planning to talk about the routing and addressing topic in Prague in a number of different meetings. Wednesday 1830-1930, Plenary -- http://www.arkko.com/ietf/ietf-68/ietf68_roap_agenda.txt This is a short report on where we are with this problem and what aspects of it the

Re: IETF 70 and 73 Venue Announcement

2007-03-09 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 09 March, 2007 22:22 +0200 Jari Arkko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I too would be interested in seeing information in the IETF meeting page about, say, hotel's transportation service when it exists and can be recommended. Or a warning about unreliable taxis. John's list of

Re: Last Call Comments on draft-housley-tls-authz-07

2007-03-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Eric, My take fwiw: I personally don't believe that the slightly-inventive bit of the stuff I sent to the patent lawyer should cover this I-D - at the time, (and I've no records to help, sorry), we weren't blessed with open source browsers and so we had to use proxies to insert our

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2007-03-09 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: The Devil's in the Deployment RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread Russ White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We have IPv6 Locally Assigned Local Addresses. Doesn't this presume that if people used these locally assigned addresses they would then NAT to a public address space? I think the main thing folks might miss is that a lot of people really

Comments on Section 1.2 of draft-ietf-eap-keying-18.txt

2007-03-09 Thread Glen Zorn (gwz)
I apologize for the tardiness of these comments: I planned to send this email over a week ago but I experienced some computer issues ;-). The definitions of both authenticator and peer refer to these as 'end of the link'; this seems just a bit too vague to me (after all, what's at the end of a

Re: comments on draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-09.txt

2007-03-09 Thread Bernard Aboba
Sam Hartman said: The text changes you proposed were considered but are rather problematic for existing protocols. I don't think we mind mandating changing protocols for real problems but we do mind doing so if we cannot understand the problem we're solving. As far as I can tell, the text

Having more citations or fewer...

2007-03-09 Thread RJ Atkinson
Originally, someone asked: % How does adding a downref to a dead document add more % integrity to the RFC process? On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:39:35 -0500 John C Klensin john-ietf at jck.com wrote: Independent of the merits in this particular case, it provides history and context. We have

Re: Prague

2007-03-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Fred Baker wrote: I won't ask how many we have in the Czech Republic :-) For much of central europe it's just a commute... ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: NATs as firewalls and the NEA

2007-03-09 Thread Jeff Young
For better or worse, the centralized means of control you mention may well come in the form of the latest IPTV networks being built by large telco providers. As telco battles cable for couch potatoes, they've realized that mucking with television reception is perhaps the best way to

Re: The Devil's in the Deployment RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread Russ White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think the main thing folks might miss is that a lot of people really want all of this on a single address--while having multiple addresses concurrent on a single machine is acceptable for larger machines, specifically servers, having multiples

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2007-03-09 Thread upendra bhanja
Jari Arkko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We are planning to talk about the routing and addressing topic in Prague in a number of different meetings. Wednesday 1830-1930, Plenary -- http://www.arkko.com/ietf/ietf-68/ietf68_roap_agenda.txt This is a short report on where we are with this

RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread Nick Staff
From: David Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Nick Staff wrote: I think the thing that would help IPv6 the most would be the setting of a hard date when no new IPv4 addresses would be issued. This would make it real for everyone and ignite the IPv6/IPv4 gateway

RE: NATs as firewalls

2007-03-09 Thread David Morris
Well we don't yet know that the FCC deadline will actually stick when society recognizes that many folks of low economic means are suddenly w/o TV. Secondly, the FCC's span of control is geographic ... not quite the same as dictating an end to IPV4 addresses on a world wide basis. In the low end

Protocol Action: 'Bi-directional Protocol Independent Multicast (BIDIR-PIM)' to Proposed Standard

2007-03-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Bi-directional Protocol Independent Multicast (BIDIR-PIM) ' draft-ietf-pim-bidir-09.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Protocol Independent Multicast Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Bill Fenner and

Last Call: draft-ietf-ltans-ers (Evidence Record Syntax (ERS)) to Proposed Standard

2007-03-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Long-Term Archive and Notary Services WG (ltans) to consider the following document: - 'Evidence Record Syntax (ERS) ' draft-ietf-ltans-ers-12.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final

Last Call: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv6-link-model-analysis (Analysis of

2007-03-09 Thread The IESG
IPv6 Link Models for 802.16 based Networks) to Informational RFC Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IESG has received a request from the IP over IEEE 802.16 Networks WG (16ng) to consider the following document: - 'Analysis of IPv6 Link Models for 802.16 based Networks

Secretariat RFI Announcement

2007-03-09 Thread IETF Administrative Director
The IETF Administrative Support Activity intends to fundamentally review the support structure for IETF's standards development process, including possible new operational models, with a view towards improving operational efficiency, support and management. To that end, the IASA is exploring

Last Call: draft-ietf-xcon-bfcp-connection (Connection Establishment in the Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP)) to Proposed Standard

2007-03-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Centralized Conferencing WG (xcon) to consider the following document: - 'Connection Establishment in the Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) ' draft-ietf-xcon-bfcp-connection-04.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the

Protocol Action: 'Protocol Independent Multicast MIB' to Proposed Standard

2007-03-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Protocol Independent Multicast MIB ' draft-ietf-pim-mib-v2-10.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Protocol Independent Multicast Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Bill Fenner and Ross Callon. A URL of

Protocol Action: 'BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space' to Proposed Standard

2007-03-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'BGP Support for Four-octet AS Number Space ' draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-13.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Bill Fenner and Ross Callon. A URL of