Re: Withdrawal of Approval and Second Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2007-04-19 Thread Simon Josefsson
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, if I understand the license correctly, it seems incompatible with free software licenses. The RedPhone license contains: 1. General Use License Upon request, RedPhone Security will provide a worldwide, nonexclusive, fully-paid,

Re: IETF Meeting Survey

2007-04-19 Thread Janet P Gunn
There was no place for comments on the breakfast question. I think an important criterion is not just whether the CONTRACTED HOTEL provides breakfast, but whether, in addition, the OTHER HOTELS IN THE AREA where IETF-ers are likely to stay, provide breakfast. If we are in a city where MOST

Re: IETF Meeting Survey

2007-04-19 Thread Dave Crocker
Janet P Gunn wrote: But if it is ONLY the contracted hotel that provides breakfast, and the other hotels do not, then I think that the meeting should provide at least SOME breakfast items. Whether a break period should or should not include food might be a reasonable question, given the

Re: IETF Meeting Survey

2007-04-19 Thread Janet P Gunn
Good question. But that isn't how the survey question was phrased. The question wasn't should IETF provide breakfast (in general)? The question was should IETF skip breakfast if the contract hotel provides it?, which seems to presume that IETF WILL continue to provide (continental) breakfast

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I'm following up to Cullen's note, but I've read Sam's note, Joel's note, and Ted's note. I tried to keep my own note short, but really admire Joel's brevity... (Disclaimer: I'm one of the EDU team members who worked on the WG Chairs/WG Leadership tutorial. If I'm seriously off-base in my

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I want to make three peripheral comments. 1. I congratulate the ADs for bringing this to the general list. If we habitually resolve such difficulties openly, we strengthen the IETF going forward. 2. I think we have a general problem of assuming that issues decided in the meeting room and

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 18 April, 2007 19:08 -0400 Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geopriv dropped because I'm asking a general question. AGENDA CHANGE The IETF process allows for agenda changes during meetings. At the outset of the meeting, the agenda was ...

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread John C Klensin
Spencer, I want to express slight disagreement on one of your points (the others are clearly, at least to me, on-target)... --On Thursday, 19 April, 2007 08:03 -0500 Spencer Dawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... - We have been encouraging greater separation of roles (an extreme case of

Re: IETF Meeting Survey

2007-04-19 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 19 April, 2007 07:25 -0400 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether a break period should or should not include food might be a reasonable question, given the limited time to forage for food elsewhere. But what is the reason for presuming that the IETF has an

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, John, Not-an-AD would be better than an-AD, but an-AD would be better than wasting the WG's time. I agree with your point, I agree with not making a hard-and-fast rule, and I agree that the expectation is that an-AD chairing a WG meeting would recuse self from subsequent IESG

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread Otmar Lendl
Some comments from me regarding this issue: First of all, as Ted mentioned, we have to note whether the chairs themselves complain about the Prague session or whether they are just responding to complaint voiced to them in private mails. As I read the mails, it's the latter which begs the

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread John Schnizlein
It is worth recalling that a subset of the AD's and GeoPriv Chairs have pursued surprise changes to the advertised agenda before. The agenda of the GeoPriv WG meeting at IETF 57 was distinctly different from the one advertised, with the inclusion of a presentation by Jon Peterson on

RE: [Geopriv] Confirmation of GEOPRIV IETF 68 Working Group Hums

2007-04-19 Thread James M. Polk
At 04:20 PM 4/19/2007, Dawson, Martin wrote: DHCP is not adequate because it doesn't meet multiple sets of requirements as documented multiple times ... bologna documented multiple times means in individual submissions of which, zero facts were presented to substantiate If DHCP were so

RE: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread James M. Polk
At 04:31 PM 4/19/2007, Dawson, Martin wrote: And there it is. You're going to have to justify the accusation, John. Barbara S has already said she thinks she'll be constrained to deploying a system such as this - so it's certainly not a hidden agenda on her behalf. Other than that, it

RE: [Geopriv] Confirmation of GEOPRIV IETF 68 Working Group Hums

2007-04-19 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
DHCP is a layer 3 technology that talks directly to layer 2. This is entirely acceptable, useful and right for NETWORK configuration. DHCP is an entirely sensible means of obtaining an IP address and _proposals_ for domain name prefixes and DNS servers. DHCP should not be used for any other

Re: [Geopriv] Confirmation of GEOPRIV IETF 68 Working Group Hums

2007-04-19 Thread David W. Hankins
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:38:40PM -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: DHCP is a layer 3 technology that talks directly to layer 2. DHCP is a technology that dynamically configures hosts. If a host has a configuration knob that might reasonably and properly be set by the systems administrator

RE: [Geopriv] Confirmation of GEOPRIV IETF 68 Working Group Hums

2007-04-19 Thread Brian Rosen
In the example you gave the Hilton is EXACTLY the network that MUST give you your location, and Verisign, if they tried, would give a valid, but very wrong location. That is the point of using DHCP for location, you need the closest possible server to get the right location. You need a server

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularity at the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-19 Thread Bernard Aboba
In reading the messages posted to the list relating to the GEOPRIV WG meeting at IETF 68, it strikes me that we have a situation in which a deadlock was allowed to persist for much too long. Whether standard or alternative mechanisms of consensus determination can resolve this situation seems

CORRECTED DATES: IETF LEMONADE Interim Meeting

2007-04-19 Thread Eric Burger
NOTE: I got the days of the week right, but the dates wrong. The interim will be the 16th and 17th of May. That is still Wednesday and Thursday. The times of the second day (Thursday) is subject to change, due to popular demand. IETF LEMONADE Interim Meeting =

Last Call: draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow (Bidirectional Flow Export using IPFIX) to Informational RFC

2007-04-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the IP Flow Information Export WG (ipfix) to consider the following document: - 'Bidirectional Flow Export using IPFIX ' draft-ietf-ipfix-biflow-04.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final