Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Tony Finch
On Mon, 14 May 2007, Dave Crocker wrote: Could cause problems in other places... The DKIM hiccup was the first one I'd heard about. By contrast, linear-white-space was defined in RFC733, in 1977, with RFC822 retaining that definition. It is defined in those places as essentially

Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: Can the RIRs bypass the IETF and do their own thing?

2007-05-15 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 03:04:19PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: [..] ICANN can end the MoU at any time, and find a new technical consultant. The IETF can also end the MoU at any time. But the IETF doesn't have the authority to appoint a new IANA operator. [..] The RIR's can do whatever

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Paul Overell
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Lisa Dusseault wrote: I share your concerns about removing rules that are already in use -- that would generally be a bad thing. However I'm interested in the consensus around whether a warning or a deprecation statement would

RE: [address-policy-wg] Re: Can the RIRs bypass the IETF and do their own thing?

2007-05-15 Thread Ray Plzak
The US DoC has as much say for ARIN as it does for the RIPE NCC. The RIRs existed before ICANN. The relationship between the RIRs and ICANN is defined in the ASO MoU, an agreement between ICANN on the one hand and the NRO on behalf of the RIRs on the other. There is no mention in the ICANN

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I had followed up to Tony's note privately with Tony/Lisa/Dave yesterday, but perhaps I should have posted it here. No time like the present. I agree that technical changes to a specification as it moves from Draft to Full does not seem helpful. Although we have darned little experience

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Alexey Melnikov
Lisa Dusseault wrote: The IESG reviewed http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-crocker- rfc4234bis-00.txt for publication as Internet Standard and would like to know if there is consensus to recommend against the use of LWSP in future specifications, as it has caused problems recently in

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread John Leslie
Paul Overell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Lisa Dusseault wrote: I share your concerns about removing rules that are already in use -- that would generally be a bad thing. However I'm interested in the consensus around whether a

RE: [address-policy-wg] Re: Can the RIRs bypass the IETF and do their own thing?

2007-05-15 Thread Ray Plzak
The US DoC has as much say for ARIN as it does for the RIPE NCC. The US DoC, through IANA functions, says, e.g., what IP Address blocks each can allocate. That seems to qualify as 'much say' Didn't say how much say, just said that whatever say it had for ARIN it was the same as it had

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Lisa Dusseault wrote: 2. The ABNF is a candidate for moving from Draft to Full. Will removing a rule (that is already in use?) or otherwise changing the semantics of the specification, at this point, still permit the document to advance? I had the impression that moving to Full was based

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Dave Crocker
Harald Alvestrand wrote: Removing features that have proved to be a Bad Idea has always been listed as one of the possible changes from Proposed to Draft - Draft to Full happens so rarely that I would be hesitant to claim that there's tradition for such changes there. The question is the

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Frank Ellermann
Lisa Dusseault wrote: The issue was initially raised by Frank Hi, a short explanation, initially I hoped that 4234 can be promoted to STD as is. I missed the (now listed) errata in the pending errata mbox. Some months later 4234bis-00 was posted, and if 4234 can't be promoted as is, then

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Ned Freed
Lisa Dusseault wrote: I share your concerns about removing rules that are already in use -- that would generally be a bad thing. However I'm interested in the consensus around whether a warning or a deprecation statement would be a good thing. LWSP has a valid meaning and use, and its

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 15 May, 2007 12:03 -0700 Ned Freed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lisa Dusseault wrote: I share your concerns about removing rules that are already in use -- that would generally be a bad thing. However I'm interested in the consensus around whether a warning or a deprecation

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Dave Crocker wrote: So that is a total of at most 2 documented cases in 10-30 years. And keep in mind that the issue is not that the rule does not work but that it is very rarely mis-used. Did you miss my post linking to a description of LWSP-related interop problems in

Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Dave Crocker
Tony Finch wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Dave Crocker wrote: So that is a total of at most 2 documented cases in 10-30 years. And keep in mind that the issue is not that the rule does not work but that it is very rarely mis-used. Did you miss my post linking to a description of LWSP-related

Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call

2007-05-15 Thread Douglas Otis
On May 15, 2007, at 10:16 AM, John Leslie wrote: I did some research, and found the following mentions of LWSP: rfc0733 obs-by rfc0822 rfc0822 defs LWSP-char = SPACE / HTAB obs-by rfc2822 rfc0987 refs rfc0822 rfc1138 refs rfc0822 rfc1148 refs rfc0822 rfc1327 refs rfc0822 rfc1486 refs

Last Call: draft-ietf-rohc-sigcomp-sip (Applying Signaling Compression (SigComp) to the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)) to Proposed Standard

2007-05-15 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Robust Header Compression WG (rohc) to consider the following document: - 'Applying Signaling Compression (SigComp) to the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) ' draft-ietf-rohc-sigcomp-sip-06.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a

Last Call: draft-ietf-radext-rfc4590bis (RADIUS Extension for Digest Authentication) to Proposed Standard

2007-05-15 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the RADIUS EXTensions WG (radext) to consider the following document: - 'RADIUS Extension for Digest Authentication ' draft-ietf-radext-rfc4590bis-01.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final

69th IETF - Visa Reminder

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