Re: Last Call: draft-hutzler-spamops (Email Submission: Access and Accountability) to BCP

2007-06-10 Thread Tony Finch
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Ned Freed wrote: > > My one concern is with the recommendation that MSAs by default try the > submit port first and if that fails fall back to port 25. I have no > problem with recommending a submit port configuration - it's the > fallback process that concerns me. In my ideal

Re: Last Call: draft-hutzler-spamops (Email Submission: Access and Accountability) to BCP

2007-06-10 Thread Ned Freed
--On Sunday, June 10, 2007 07:31 -0700 Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> trust. Given the prohibitions in this document, where are >> those devices left? Am I correct in assuming that this >> document would intend to prohibit those devices as >> non-conforming? > > No. > > If the

Re: Last Call: draft-hutzler-spamops (Email Submission: Access and Accountability) to BCP

2007-06-10 Thread Tony Finch
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, william(at)elan.net wrote: > > Sendmail does not authenticate automatically or otherwise. What it does > is to use as RFC2821 MAIL FROM account of the user that invoked it or > when "-f" option is used puts out account of the user in the trace data. > > This is not authenticati

Re: Last Call: draft-hutzler-spamops (Email Submission: Access and Accountability) to BCP

2007-06-10 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Tony Finch wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: Side note: on Unix, will cron be forced to authenticate to send emails at 2 am? :-) cron sends email by invoking sendmail, which knows the user that invoked it. authentication is therefore automatic and ha

Re: Last Call: draft-hutzler-spamops (Email Submission: Access and Accountability) to BCP

2007-06-10 Thread Tony Finch
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > Side note: on Unix, will cron be forced to authenticate to send emails > at 2 am? :-) cron sends email by invoking sendmail, which knows the user that invoked it. authentication is therefore automatic and has been the norm for ever. Tony. -- f.a

Re: Last Call: draft-hutzler-spamops (Email Submission: Access and Accountability) to BCP

2007-06-10 Thread John C Klensin
--On Sunday, June 10, 2007 07:31 -0700 Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: trust. Given the prohibitions in this document, where are those devices left? Am I correct in assuming that this document would intend to prohibit those devices as non-conforming? No. If the devices (or cron

Re: Last Call: draft-hutzler-spamops (Email Submission: Access and Accountability) to BCP

2007-06-10 Thread Dave Crocker
John C Klensin wrote: --On Saturday, June 09, 2007 20:00 + John Levine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Side note: on Unix, will cron be forced to authenticate to send emails at 2 am? :-) Perhaps a sentence or two clarifying that this only applies to SMTP and SUBMIT would be in order But the

Re: Last Call: draft-hutzler-spamops (Email Submission: Access and Accountability) to BCP

2007-06-10 Thread Dave Crocker
Stephane, Thanks for posting a comment. I hope that more folks do... Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: It seems that there is not a lof of content left from the first, much more normative versions of this document, which were issued a long time ago. The spamops effort has been dominated by a desir