Re: Deployment Cases

2007-12-27 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Re: Deployment CasesPhil, I think I kinda do see what Brian's point is. I don't think it should be a conversation-ender, but Brian is pointing out an issue that we need to work through... As an organization of individuals developing protocol specifications - that's who we are, and that's what

Re: Deployment Cases

2007-12-27 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I don't want to repeat myself unduly, but I believe that the IETF is institutionally incapable of taking this type of approach, for exactly the same reasons that's it's quite good at doing protocol design. I think that the organisations that do emphasise business cases and deployment have a

Re: Deployment Cases

2007-12-27 Thread Dave Crocker
Spencer Dawkins wrote: I think I kinda do see what Brian's point is. ... As an organization of individuals developing protocol specifications - that's who we are, and that's what we do - we don't even have a natural way to interact with operators, ... I think Brian is saying the same thing

RE: Deployment Cases

2007-12-27 Thread Christian Huitema
However we do need to have a basis for believing that the work we are doing will actually get used. We went through that many times. The best way we have found so far is to verify that the proposed working group has a sufficient constituency. This has the advantage of not requiring economic

Re: Deployment Cases

2007-12-27 Thread Dave Crocker
Christian Huitema wrote: However we do need to have a basis for believing that the work we are doing will actually get used. We went through that many times. The best way we have found so far is to verify that the proposed working group has a sufficient constituency. This has the advantage

Re: Change the subject! RE: [IAOC] Re: IPv4 Outage Planned for IETF71 Plenary

2007-12-27 Thread Frank Ellermann
TS Glassey wrote: FWIW I have run into many people using down-rev laptop's for whom Microsoft's v6 implementation isn't ever going to be installed. See http://research.microsoft.com/msripv6/msripv6.htm - I found that via Jordi's http://www.ipv6-to-standard.org/ link. Apparently an

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2007-12-27 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: Deployment Cases

2007-12-27 Thread Franck Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The problem is not to produce specifications, but to get them used. The What makes a protocol successful presentation, shows that the best protocols are the ones given to IETF for it to refine and complete. They have already a user pull when they