Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin == golf!

2008-02-01 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Dean Willis wrote: And no, I don't play golf, which appears to be the entire focus of this sort of location. This could be an opportunity to do something different. (Though I agree that having the IETF on a location 15km from downtown could have some challenges.) Ok,

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 1 feb 2008, at 4:37, Dean Willis wrote: Excuse me, but isn't this in the boonies way outside town? Are we going to be stuck in a $200 a night hotel with no reasonable alternative accommodations eating vastly overpriced hotel food and facing a one-hour commute to anywhere else? I agree

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Jeroen Massar
Ross Finlayson wrote: Excuse me, but isn't this in the boonies way outside town? Are we going to be stuck in a $200 a night hotel with no reasonable alternative accommodations eating vastly overpriced hotel food and facing a one-hour commute to anywhere else? How easy will it be to commute

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Ross Finlayson
Excuse me, but isn't this in the boonies way outside town? Are we going to be stuck in a $200 a night hotel with no reasonable alternative accommodations eating vastly overpriced hotel food and facing a one-hour commute to anywhere else? How easy will it be to commute between the hotel and

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin == golf!

2008-02-01 Thread Greg Shepherd
On Feb 1, 2008 12:18 AM, Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Dean Willis wrote: And no, I don't play golf, which appears to be the entire focus of this sort of location. This could be an opportunity to do something different. (Though I agree that having the IETF on

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Scott Brim
Excerpts from Dean Willis on Thu, Jan 31, 2008 09:37:53PM -0600: Excuse me, but isn't this in the boonies way outside town? Are we going to be stuck in a $200 a night hotel with no reasonable alternative accommodations eating vastly overpriced hotel food and facing a one-hour commute to

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Ray Pelletier
Stephen Farrell wrote: Ross Finlayson wrote: How easy will it be to commute between the hotel and central Dublin (e.g., if we want to eat lunch or dinner somewhere other than the hotel)? You couldn't make lunch in the city centre from citywest. Dinner should be ok, even if it

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Janet P Gunn
A quick google search finds multiple restaurants in the villages of Saggart (adjacent to the golf course) and Rathcoole (2k away) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/01/2008 08:43:12 AM: --On Friday, 01 February, 2008 11:57 +0100 Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (e.g., if we want to

RE: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Bound, Jim
Jari, Your an IESG great rep but your just another bozo on the bus on this list. Your authoritarian tone is not pleasing at least how I take it. Let people vent I just hit the 'd' key and so can you. But thanks for your thoughts as all others. The point is the facilities are forcing people

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Jari Arkko wrote: Dean, We should know by now that isolated resorts ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE as meeting locations. Er... like Dallas or San Diego? I've never been to Dublin and I don't know what exists on site. Maybe some locals could tell us? Actually, I think the hotel should be

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Jari Arkko
Dean, We should know by now that isolated resorts ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE as meeting locations. Er... like Dallas or San Diego? I've never been to Dublin and I don't know what exists on site. Maybe some locals could tell us? Also, as has happened in a number of IETFs so far (like in Dallas),

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread James M. Polk
At 10:28 AM 2/1/2008, Jari Arkko wrote: Dean, We should know by now that isolated resorts ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE as meeting locations. Er... like Dallas or San Diego? Jari Dallas was supposed to be New Orleans until a little catastrophe called Katrina happened there and a secondary city

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Ray Pelletier
GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART) wrote: Folks, I just went to the website to at least grab a room for the time being. I was disappointed to learn that reservations are non cancellable and non refundable! Our contract provides that the reservations are cancellable, refundable and

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Ray Pelletier
Bound, Jim wrote: snip NB; Ray this is not personal or against IAOC at all. We know you do the best you can with the budget you have. But being in the city anytime gives us all more options after IETF work. I for one do not come at all to the IETF for any social things not even a

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Frank Ellermann
Janet P Gunn wrote: A quick google search finds multiple restaurants in the villages of Saggart (adjacent to the golf course) and Rathcoole (2k away) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=lq=restaurantnear=53.282972,-6.442966ll=53.282972,-6.442966z=13 Better don't try that with Google maps... ;-)

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin == golf!

2008-02-01 Thread Dean Willis
On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:18 AM, Pekka Savola wrote: Ok, hands up (off-list) everyone who's interested in an IETF golf competition or just casual golf :-) ? Ok, if IETFers are playing golf en-masse, I'm bringing a video camera to the first hole to film tee-off bloopers. I was traumatized for

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Stuart and Ray, I called the hotel directly to make my reservations. Just mentioned the IETF and got the group rate. Note that $130 is for a single room - I was quoted $160 for two people (Ray, is that correct?). Also, I was told that cancellation is 48 hours with with no penalties. Cheers,

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Ray Pelletier
Andrew G. Malis wrote: Stuart and Ray, I called the hotel directly to make my reservations. Just mentioned the IETF and got the group rate. Note that $130 is for a single room - I was quoted $160 for two people (Ray, is that correct?). 160 is correct for the Double Rate. Also, I was

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-02-01 Thread Scott Brim
I propose that we eliminate global cutoff dates and let each WG establish any cutoff dates it needs for its own purposes. In general we strive to have the principal forum for discussion be WG mailing lists as opposed to the physical meetings themselves. That should be the default case. Most WGs

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-02-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 01 February, 2008 15:31 -0500 Scott Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose that we eliminate global cutoff dates and let each WG establish any cutoff dates it needs for its own purposes. In general we strive to have the principal forum for discussion be WG mailing lists as

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-02-01 Thread Eric Rescorla
At Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:51:10 -0500, John C Klensin wrote: (2) I think an early cutoff for individual documents that do not directly relate to IETF WG or Standards-track work is useful because it keeps the noise level down for all of us.So a WG-based cutoff might need to be accompanied by a

Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-01 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Ray, Thanks - and also thanks to everyone that pointed out that I used $ when I meant € ... just typing too fast for my own good. Cheers, Andy On Feb 1, 2008 3:28 PM, Ray Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew G. Malis wrote: Stuart and Ray, I called the hotel directly to make my

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-02-01 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:51 PM, John C Klensin wrote: (3) Cullen's note emphasized the reading problems faced by ADs who are trying to stay on top of all of the documents in their areas. I think we need to be very careful about that, balancing permitting the ADs to function/manage effectively

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-02-01 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 1 feb 2008, at 22:14, Eric Rescorla wrote: FWIW, I'm not an AD but I, like Cullen, try to read every draft for every WG I attend, so workload is a definite issue. Exactly. It's good to have a few weeks between the point where you need to have your own drafts done and the point where you

[HOKEY] Last Call: draft-ietf-hokey-erx (EAP Extensions for EAP Re-authentication Protocol (ERP)) to Proposed Standard

2008-02-01 Thread Dan Harkins
Hello, I believe this is a well organized and complete document. On numerous occasions while reviewing it I made a mental question regarding something only to have the question answered in a subsequent paragraph. I do have several comments though: 1. this protocol can be used in the

Re: [HOKEY] Last Call: draft-ietf-hokey-erx (EAP Extensions for EAP Re-authentication Protocol (ERP)) to Proposed Standard

2008-02-01 Thread Dan Harkins
Hello again, Pardon my repetition but I have come up with a very valid reason why naming keys using HMAC-SHA-256 is a bad idea. If one wants to administratively remove all keys in a particular key hierarchy (which seems like an entirely reasonable request) one must do a linear search of

Secretariat Transitions 1 Feb 2008

2008-02-01 Thread Ray Pelletier
Thanks. Welcome. Best Wishes The IAOC would like to thank NeuStar Secretriat Services for the support of the IETF these last two plus years. In particular we want to recognize Mark Foster, NeuStar CTO, for his pivotal role in the administrative restructuring of the IETF. NSS was led by Jon

Internet-Drafts Submission Cutoff Dates for the 71st IETF Meeting in Philadelphia, PA, USA

2008-02-01 Thread ietf-secretariat
There are two (2) Internet-Draft cutoff dates for the 71st IETF Meeting in Philadelphia, PA, USA: February 18th: Cutoff Date for Initial (i.e., version -00) Internet-Draft Submissions All initial Internet-Drafts (version -00) must be submitted by Monday, February 18th at 9:00 AM ET (14:00