Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes?

2008-07-01 Thread John Levine
> This does not mean that ICANN won't listen to the IETF; it means > that there will be voices more familiar to ICANN saying things > different than we are. One of the few ICANN committees that actually works is the SSAC, the Security and Stability Advisory Committee. It includes a lot of people

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes?

2008-07-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 5:53 PM -0400 7/1/08, John C Klensin wrote: Pretend I'm a fine, upstanding, citizen who is in the domain names business (I guess that would make me a "domaineer" :-)) and whose business model is based on traffic concentration and redirection. I think I would really like to own "local", alth

Re: Qualitative Analysis of IETF and IESG trends (Re: Measuring IETF and IESG trends)

2008-07-01 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2008-07-02 09:07, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > Of course, we also get complaints whenever anyone raises an issue > without providing text. So, by a strict reading of the argument, the AD > is hanged if he provides text (directing the working group) and hanged > if he does not provide text (you didn

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 01 July, 2008 16:51 -0400 Thomas Narten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > Also, for TLDs like .local, one could also to some extent just > say "buyer beware". Anyone wanting a TLD that is known to not > be useable in practice (for some deployed software) would get > what they deser

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-01 Thread Philip Guenther
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Thomas Narten wrote: ... Also, for TLDs like .local, one could also to some extent just say "buyer beware". Anyone wanting a TLD that is known to not be useable in practice (for some deployed software) would get what they deserve. :-) The folk wanting TLDs presumably want TLDs

Re: Qualitative Analysis of IETF and IESG trends (Re: Measuring IETF and IESG trends)

2008-07-01 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Of course, we also get complaints whenever anyone raises an issue without providing text. So, by a strict reading of the argument, the AD is hanged if he provides text (directing the working group) and hanged if he does not provide text (you didn't make clear what your problem is, and how to f

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-01 Thread David Conrad
On Jul 1, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: The host SHOULD check the string syntactically for a dotted-decimal number before looking it up in the Domain Name System. which seems to reply to David Conrad's question: if all the implementations are correct, 127.0.0.1 will always be an

Re: Qualitative Analysis of IETF and IESG trends (Re: Measuring IETF and IESG trends)

2008-07-01 Thread Ted Hardie
> >The problems with the Discussing AD proposing text are more in the area >of scalability. I prefer seeing the authors (or shepherds) be active and >propose ways to resolve an issue. Or at least the initial proposal, >review and suggestions from both sides may be needed to converge. This is not t

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-01 Thread Thomas Narten
Joe Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A better approach, I think, would be for proposed TLDs to pass > technical review through some suitable body who could consider each > case on its merits. As in https://par.icann.org/files/paris/gTLDUpdateParis-23jun08.pdf, starting at chart 11? Also,

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 05:40:35PM +0100, Tony Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 18 lines which said: > RFC 1123 section 2.1, especially the last sentence. Well, the last sentence will no longer be true if all-numeric TLDs are allocated but, before that, one finds: > The host SHOUL

RE: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-01 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
Another like restriction that might be investigated is whether http://microsoft/ or other similar corporate TLDs would work as intended with deployed legacy browsers. I suspect (but have not tried) that if you simply type 'Microsoft' into the address bar of some browsers you might have the key

Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity

2008-07-01 Thread John Leslie
John Levine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>* Whenever the keywords are used they are to be considered normative >>* Whenever the keywords are used they SHOULD be capitalized > > Ahem: > > * Whenever the keywords are used they MUST be capitalized I did an exercise today: I looked at the first

RE: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity

2008-07-01 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
In like mode, it would be nice if there was a series of guides that described how to go about specifying certain types of document such as we have for MIBs. For example I would like there to be a document that described how to go about specifying a cryptographic algorithm for use in IETF protoc

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-01 Thread Dave Crocker
Tony Finch wrote: Speaking technically, how would you distinguish the top-level domain "127.0.0.1" from the IP address 127.0.0.1? A word while passing here: is there a document (RFC, Posix standard, whatever) which says which is the right result in such a case? RFC 1123 section 2.1, especial

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-01 Thread Tony Finch
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 05:49:18AM -0700, > David Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > a message of 11 lines which said: > > > Speaking technically, how would you distinguish the top-level domain > > "127.0.0.1" from the IP address 127.0.0.1? > > A

Re: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity

2008-07-01 Thread John Levine
>* Whenever the keywords are used they are to be considered normative >* Whenever the keywords are used they SHOULD be capitalized Ahem: * Whenever the keywords are used they MUST be capitalized >* Editors SHOULD avoid use of normative keywords for non-normative >language, even in drafts. Yes,

RE: SHOULD vs MUST case sensitivity

2008-07-01 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
Looks good, but needs some smitthing. I think that the sense that I would want is: * Whenever the keywords are used they are to be considered normative * Whenever the keywords are used they SHOULD be capitalized * Editors SHOULD avoid use of normative keywords for non-normative language, even

Re: Subscriber List Damage

2008-07-01 Thread Frank Ellermann
Simon Josefsson wrote: > How about an IETF "operations" mailing list? There is the tools > mailing list, but I don't think this kind of operational discussions > belong there. People interested in the operations of various IETF > servers could join that mailing list. The list might even be an