Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review andcomments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-14 Thread Tom.Petch
Russ I would like greater clarity about the meaning of pre-5378. Ed's original announcement said that the new regime was in effect from 12 November 2008 (no time specified). Ed's revised text uses 'before 10 November 2008' (no time specified). Ed's original announcement also placed

Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2009-01-14 Thread Sam Hartman
I think a standard in this space is really needed. I would definitely like to be able to include SAML assertions and other statements of authorization as part of a TLS exchange. In the appropriate environments I'd be willing to implement this spec given the current IPR situation.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-14 Thread Russ Housley
Tom: RFC 5378 was published on 11 November 2008, and it went into effect on that date. Pre-5378 material refers to contributions that were made before the BCP went into effect. I do not believe that anyone tracked the posting time at a finer granularity than a day. Russ The At 04:41 AM

Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2009-01-14 Thread Russ Housley
I think a standard in this space is really needed. Given the revised IPR statement, I think it is clear that it can be implemented widely. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-turn (Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN): Relay Extensions to Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN)) to Proposed Standard

2009-01-14 Thread Scott Godin
FYI - I've submitted the following comments last week sometime, but I think they may be held up in the moderator queue: I'm in the process updating reTurn (opensource Turn server in resiprocate project) to the latest turn-12, and have the following comments/typos after reviewing the draft. 1.

Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2009-01-14 Thread Peter Sylvester
Sam Hartman wrote: I think a standard in this space is really needed. I would definitely like to be able to include SAML assertions and other statements of authorization as part of a TLS exchange. In the appropriate environments I'd be willing to implement this spec given the current IPR

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review andcomments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-14 Thread Bill Fenner
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Tom.Petch sisyp...@dial.pipex.com wrote: Ed's original announcement also placed significance on 0100 UTC on 16th December appearing to allow a grace period up until then during which 5378 was not in effect, since old boiler plate was acceptable. This is not

Re: [mail-vet-discuss] -19 of draft-kucherawy-sender-auth-header

2009-01-14 Thread Douglas Otis
On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:02 AM, SM wrote: Hi Doug, At 18:53 12-01-2009, Doug Otis wrote: (see section 3.4.1 of [MAIL]) of an address, the pvalue reported along with results for these mechanisms SHOULD NOT include the local- part. SHOULD NOT is not an recommendation to do something.

Re: meeting attendance nomcom

2009-01-14 Thread Jari Arkko
Like Stephen said, we have even more urgent problems if the attendance goes way down. Lets focus our immediate energy on that front. I'm sure the IAOC and Russ have already spent quite a bit of time on that... Also, if this becomes a serious nomcom issue, I suspect the biggest hit would be

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-14 Thread Russ Housley
Correction: RFC 5378 was published on 10 November 2008. http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-dist/2008-November/002142.html Russ At 11:20 AM 1/14/2009, Russ Housley wrote: Tom: RFC 5378 was published on 11 November 2008, and it went into effect on that date. Pre-5378 material refers

Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2009-01-14 Thread Tim Polk
On Jan 14, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Dean Anderson wrote: Somehow I haven't yet recieved the fourth last call, but only the discussion Sigh. see http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/ msg05617.html There are MANY reasons that this should not be brought to a FOURTH last

Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2009-01-14 Thread Russ Housley
Dean and the IESG: I will respond to some, but not all of Dean's points. 3. --There have been reports of similar issues in recent lawsuit where the plaintiff patent-holder acted similarly to Housley/Brown/Polk et al and was found to have engaged in aggravated litigation abuse. In that case,

Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2009-01-14 Thread Sam Hartman
Dean == Dean Anderson d...@av8.com writes: Dean 3. --There have been reports of similar issues in recent Dean lawsuit where the plaintiff patent-holder acted similarly to Dean Housley/Brown/Polk et al and was found to have engaged in Dean aggravated litigation abuse. In that

RFC 5378 contributions

2009-01-14 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - I originally asked this question on the WG chairs' list, and was asked to ask again here... The discussion about RFC 5378 (what little I've been able to understand of it, anyway) has focussed on I-Ds and RFCs. However, the definition of contribution in that document includes, among other

Re: RFC 5378 contributions

2009-01-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2009-01-15 13:32, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - I originally asked this question on the WG chairs' list, and was asked to ask again here... The discussion about RFC 5378 (what little I've been able to understand of it, anyway) has focussed on I-Ds and RFCs. However, the definition of

Re: RFC 5378 contributions

2009-01-14 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2009-01-15 13:32, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - I originally asked this question on the WG chairs' list, and was asked to ask again here... The discussion about RFC 5378 (what little I've been able to understand of it, anyway) has

Re: RFC 5378 contributions

2009-01-14 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 1:38 PM +1300 1/15/09, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2009-01-15 13:32, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - I originally asked this question on the WG chairs' list, and was asked to ask again here... The discussion about RFC 5378 (what little I've been able to understand of it, anyway) has focussed

Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2009-01-14 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2009-01-14 at 08:18 -0800, The IESG wrote: Since the third Last Call, RedPhone Security filed IETF IPR disclosure 1026. This disclosure statement asserts in part that the techniques for sending and receiving authorizations defined in TLS Authorizations Extensions (version

Re: RFC 5378 contributions

2009-01-14 Thread Contreras, Jorge
Title: Re: RFC 5378 contributions No, absolutely not. Use of pre-5378 materials in the IETF standards process has never been an issue, only use outside the IETF is problematic (ie, allowed under 5378 but not the earlier rules). - Original Message - From:

Re: DNS/IP

2009-01-14 Thread Toni Stoev
On Wednesday 14 January 2009 04:32:09 Raman Chan sent: HIP? In HIP the Host Identity is a public key. I suggest that node identity be network connectivity cognition, i.e., an identity address shall be an acquaintance path to a node. Acquaintant are two nodes that know each other's unicast

Re: RFC 5378 contributions

2009-01-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 08:33:35PM -0500, Contreras, Jorge wrote: No, absolutely not.nbsp; Use of pre-5378 materials in the IETF standards process has never been an issue, only use outside the IETF is problematic (ie, allowed under 5378 but not the earlier rules). Why is the actual situation

Re: RFC 5378 contributions

2009-01-14 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - Thanks for the clarification. Does this mean that if a WG really has no concern that the documents it's working on would be spun off to another organization, then it doesn't need to worry about tracking down contributors? Randy From: Contreras, Jorge jorge.contre...@wilmerhale.com To:

Protocol Action: 'Capabilities Advertisement with BGP-4' to Draft Standard

2009-01-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Capabilities Advertisement with BGP-4 ' draft-ietf-idr-rfc3392bis-05.txt as a Draft Standard This document is the product of the Inter-Domain Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are David Ward and Ross Callon. A URL of this

Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns

2009-01-14 Thread The IESG
On June 27, 2006, the IESG approved Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authorization Extensions, (draft-housley-tls-authz-extns) as a proposed standard. On November 29, 2006, Redphone Security (with whom Mark Brown, a co-author of the draft is affiliated) filed IETF IPR disclosure 767. Because of

Protocol Action: 'The use of the SIPS URI Scheme in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)' to Proposed Standard

2009-01-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'The use of the SIPS URI Scheme in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) ' draft-ietf-sip-sips-09.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Session Initiation Protocol Working Group. The IESG contact persons are

WG Review: Recharter of IP Performance Metrics (ippm)

2009-01-14 Thread IESG Secretary
A modified charter has been submitted for the IP Performance Metrics (ippm) working group in the Transport Area of the IETF. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The modified charter is provided below for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list

RFC 5392 on OSPF Extensions in Support of Inter-Autonomous System (AS) MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering

2009-01-14 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5392 Title: OSPF Extensions in Support of Inter-Autonomous System (AS) MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering Author: M. Chen, R. Zhang, X.