Re: designate an email address for testing at any provider

2009-04-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Nick Levinson wrote: > I think you didn't mean domain. In that case, the catchall address > encourages delivery. I'm looking for a guaranteed bounce, for test > purposes, at any email service provider. Well know addresses tend to create opportunities for DOS. Two other issues, such an approach wo

Re: IETF NomCom Changes Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Spencer Dawkins
yeah, that's the 3777bis-ish change ;-) Spencer On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:34 AM, ext Spencer Dawkins wrote: Your memory matches mine. Do the notes need to reflect "nominee" behavior, instead of "NomCom" behavior? Just to make sure we're on the same page ... Joel reminded me after I'd alrea

Re: IETF NomCom Changes Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Bob Hinden
On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:34 AM, ext Spencer Dawkins wrote: Your memory matches mine. Do the notes need to reflect "nominee" behavior, instead of "NomCom" behavior? Just to make sure we're on the same page ... Joel reminded me after I'd already submitted a couple of versions of openlist that y

Re: End to end NAT

2009-04-01 Thread Tadayuki Abraham HATTORI
The repetition of "Eye-Think" is just a cultural humbleness. Everyone is my load. Let's sing a songs of democratic communication protocols. Robert Moskowitz wrote: Reminds me of that classic riff from "In the Beginning" by the Moody Blues: "I think. I think I am. Therefore I am. I think."

Re: End to end NAT

2009-04-01 Thread Masataka Ohta
Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Reminds me of that classic riff from "In the Beginning" by the Moody Blues: > > "I think. I think I am. Therefore I am. I think." I'm afraid he is just joking, though not very elegantly. :-) Masataka Ohta __

Re: IETF NomCom Changes Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Russ Housley
Spencer: I made the suggested change to the minutes. Russ At 01:34 PM 4/1/2009, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Your memory matches mine. Do the notes need to reflect "nominee" behavior, instead of "NomCom" behavior? Just to make sure we're on the same page ... Joel reminded me after I'd already su

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Please note that some groups use jabber more or less continuously, not just during a meeting. Regards Marshall On Apr 1, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Russ Housley wrote: Jabber logs are already part of the proceedings. For example, this URL provides the jabber logs for the IETF 73 in Minneapolis: htt

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Russ Housley
Jabber logs are already part of the proceedings. For example, this URL provides the jabber logs for the IETF 73 in Minneapolis: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/index.html The Secretariat is looking at some changes to the proceedings, and I have asked them to put the jabber log and the a

Re: IETF NomCom Changes Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Your memory matches mine. Do the notes need to reflect "nominee" behavior, instead of "NomCom" behavior? Just to make sure we're on the same page ... Joel reminded me after I'd already submitted a couple of versions of openlist that you're a nominee if NomCom is considering you, a candidate if

Re: jabber URL at the bottom of mailing list traffic?

2009-04-01 Thread Keith Moore
Simon Josefsson wrote: > Keith Moore writes: > >> while we're on the subject of better integration between mailing lists >> and jabber, how about having the trailer at the bottom of every message >> that is posted to an IETF WG list, include a URL that points to the >> jabber chat room for that W

Re: IETF NomCom Changes Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Russ Housley
I believe the hum was about "lobbying" behavior of the candidates on the open list toward NomCom and the rest of the community. Russ At 12:38 PM 4/1/2009, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Hi, Russ, I may have misunderstood (I was presenting, so not taking good notes during the NomCom discussions), bu

Re: IETF NomCom Changes Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, Russ, I may have misunderstood (I was presenting, so not taking good notes during the NomCom discussions), but I'm looking at Russ asks who believes that we need to do anything that describes what is acceptable NomCom behaviour. many hums Russ asks who doesn't believe this is

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Tony Hansen
if `egrep -v 'joins the room|leaves the room' log | wc -l` > 0 post log Translation: if, after removing the "joins the room" and "leaves the room" messages are removed, you wind up with anything left, post the log. This would eliminate almost all of the logs that have no substantive inform

Re: End to end NAT

2009-04-01 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Tadayuki Abraham HATTORI wrote: Dear profesionals, You may be just proposing a social security hole, I think.?An idea of End-to-end is too primitive like monkey world. I recommend an idea of family-to-family. At first, a nation should be considered as a set of home, right? In other words, as

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Scott Brim
Excerpts from Tim Polk on Wed, Apr 01, 2009 10:53:38AM -0400: > Good point. If we are serious about this, automating it is the only > reasonable path. but to start with maybe the chairs could send it out by hand? They submit the meeting notes by hand. __

IETF NomCom Changes Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread IETF Chair
Several changes to the NomCom process were discussed during the plenary session last Wednesday. The minutes have been posted so that anyone that was not at the plenary session can catch up. The minutes can be found here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/minutes/plenaryw.txt The discuss

Re: jabber URL at the bottom of mailing list traffic?

2009-04-01 Thread Simon Josefsson
Keith Moore writes: > while we're on the subject of better integration between mailing lists > and jabber, how about having the trailer at the bottom of every message > that is posted to an IETF WG list, include a URL that points to the > jabber chat room for that WG? Is more boiler plate texts

jabber URL at the bottom of mailing list traffic?

2009-04-01 Thread Keith Moore
while we're on the subject of better integration between mailing lists and jabber, how about having the trailer at the bottom of every message that is posted to an IETF WG list, include a URL that points to the jabber chat room for that WG? Keith ___ Iet

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Tim Polk
Good point. If we are serious about this, automating it is the only reasonable path. I like the idea of a minimum size for automatic submission. If it is short but really important (e.g., "The AD closed the wg."), then we can always manually submit the jabber log. On Apr 1, 2009, at 9:48

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Dave CROCKER
Spencer Dawkins wrote: It occurs to me that we should try to fold them into the regular email archive, perhaps simply by sending the wg mailing list a copy afterwards? I would like to see this, and if we expect it to happen, I'd suggest automating it. Should be simple enough (assume IETF Pl

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Rémi Després
Scott Brim - le (m/j/a) 4/1/09 2:37 PM: Excerpts from Dave CROCKER on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:43:29PM -0700: IETF meeting jabber sessions often hold some very useful gems. And at their worst, each one isn't all that big. It occurs to me that we should try to fold them into the regular email arc

Re: End to end NAT

2009-04-01 Thread Tadayuki Abraham HATTORI
Dear profesionals, You may be just proposing a social security hole, I think.?An idea of End-to-end is too primitive like monkey world. I recommend an idea of family-to-family. At first, a nation should be considered as a set of home, right? In other words, as you may know, according to the th

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Spencer Dawkins
IETF meeting jabber sessions often hold some very useful gems. And at their worst, each one isn't all that big. It occurs to me that we should try to fold them into the regular email archive, perhaps simply by sending the wg mailing list a copy afterwards? I would like to see this, and if w

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Scott Brim
Excerpts from Dave CROCKER on Tue, Mar 31, 2009 11:43:29PM -0700: > IETF meeting jabber sessions often hold some very useful gems. And > at their worst, each one isn't all that big. > > It occurs to me that we should try to fold them into the regular > email archive, perhaps simply by sending the

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-nat-behavior-discovery (NAT Behavior Discovery Using STUN) to Experimental RFC

2009-04-01 Thread Magnus Westerlund
Cullen, I will respond to your comment on a high level. I think the applicability statement on this document is correct and clear that this will not work all the time. You seem to want to press the point that there is no meaning for a mechanism unless it is always correct. I don't agree with that

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Melinda Shore
Dave CROCKER wrote: IETF meeting jabber sessions often hold some very useful gems. And at their worst, each one isn't all that big. When I've chaired working groups I've found the Jabber logs to be invaluable for help putting together minutes, and occasionally for clarifying post-meeting ques

End to end NAT

2009-04-01 Thread Masataka Ohta
Dear All; Attached is a draft internet draft on end to end NAT. As is discussed in draft-iab-ipv6-nat-00.txt: If the translation is reversible, and the translation is indeed reversed by the time it reaches the other end of communication, then end- to-end transparency

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Apr 1, 2009, at 2:43 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: IETF meeting jabber sessions often hold some very useful gems. And at their worst, each one isn't all that big. It occurs to me that we should try to fold them into the regular email archive, perhaps simply by sending the wg mailing list

Re: jabber logs into working group mailing list archives?

2009-04-01 Thread Keith Moore
Dave CROCKER wrote: > IETF meeting jabber sessions often hold some very useful gems. And at > their worst, each one isn't all that big. > > It occurs to me that we should try to fold them into the regular email > archive, perhaps simply by sending the wg mailing list a copy afterwards? makes sen