RE: Beyond reproach, accountability and regulation

2009-04-30 Thread Bernard Aboba
The problem here is that a consensus based approach is a lousy way to deal with large complicated problems where the number of stakeholders is very large and only a tiny minority of them are able to participate in the IETF process in an effective manner. This may well be true, but in many

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-nat-behavior-discovery (NAT Behavior Discovery Using STUN) to Experimental RFC

2009-04-30 Thread Magnus Westerlund
Hi, After having reviewed all the last call comments I like to make a consensus call on this document. I think there is rough consensus for publication of this document given that it is updated to make the following clear: - Make the applicability statement more clear on that any determination

RE: Beyond reproach, accountability and regulation

2009-04-30 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, April 30, 2009 00:22 -0700 Bernard Aboba bernard_ab...@hotmail.com wrote: ICANN might not be the right place to discuss issues such as I18N, but IETF is worse. ICANN is not by its nature a standards body so that it's not naturally well suited to discussion of standards

Re: Beyond reproach, accountability and regulation

2009-04-30 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
No, I think that it was an attempt to claim that no criticism should ever be directed at that individual. As is the case with the British monarch, those who leap to the defense of the honor of the Queen are more often as not attempting to put criticism of their own position beyond the bounds of

Re: Beyond reproach, accountability and regulation

2009-04-30 Thread David W. Hankins
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 02:03:00PM -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: In theory we have a consensus based organization. In practice we have a system where it is rather easy for some people to take strategic offense as a tactic to shut down debate. 'Establishing (rough) consensus' is, at its

Re: Beyond reproach, accountability and regulation

2009-04-30 Thread Theodore Tso
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 03:26:02PM -0700, David W. Hankins wrote: I was very dissatisfied with the IETF's performance towards its agenda until this occurred to me. It would have helped me immensely if it were formally identified in this way (but then that would require the IETF carry a

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2009-04-30 Thread Thomas Narten
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Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-gach-gal (MPLS Generic Associated

2009-04-30 Thread The IESG
Channel) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: i...@ietf.org CC: m...@lists.ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG (mpls) to consider the following document: - 'MPLS Generic Associated Channel ' draft-ietf-mpls-tp-gach-gal-04.txt as a Proposed Standard

BEHAVE Interim Teleconference

2009-04-30 Thread IETF Secretariat
On Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 07:00-09:00am PDT (10:00-12:00 EDT, 14:00-16:00 GMT), BEHAVE will be having a teleconference interim meeting, with the following agenda: * 6/4 translation document organization * 6/4 translation on a host * DNS-ALG open issues * translation open issues (e.g.,